Two macro moths for ID

[djeyewater]

Can anyone help me with IDs for these two moths. I can't remember quite how big they were, but I would say about 20mm.

#1


#2 (dead)

Would I be correct in thinking that this is the ovipositor:


Thanks

Dave

[Jason Claxton]

Hi Dave

The First is Dark Arches.

[JRsbugs]

The second also looks like a dead Dark Arches.

Can't say about the genitalia, but males in other insects often have a pair of 'clasps' so it could be a male. The ovipositor is usually a pointed, singular thing.

Janet

[djeyewater]

Thanks Jason and Janet! The dead one was a female as it laid eggs in the tank I had it in before it died.

Cheers

Dave