November Moth?

[John]

Originally Posted by DL

No I havent John that why I stated "Four Species" in my previous post.

Ooops!! sorry, I missed that.

Originally Posted by DL

I have been working with two individuals who have doctorates in entomology on this project but only for the last two seasons as I am only a qualified Ecologist that specialises in entomology not a qualified entomologist myself (yet)

I have been posting these images to some of the foremost Moth Experts. They, to a man, will not commit on sight alone, no matter how much you magnify these moths. Dissection in their minds is the only way and that is not taken on the fact that other people say so but the solid fact that dissection is the only guaranteed way.

Originally Posted by DL

This is why I am interested to see more specific info on these species and that recorders should mabey take a little time look in to trying to differenciate more between the species. Many just take point blank the statement that it cant be done when looking for more detail may help resolve this one.

I can't imagine any true expert going along with what others say. Doing that they would fall flat on their face too many times and their credibility would go down the toilet.

John

[jennyb]

Dissection is a bit extreme, isn't it Poor old moth. I would rather leave mine alive even if it means a little bit of doubt!

Jenny

[John]

Originally Posted by jennyb

Dissection is a bit extreme, isn't it Poor old moth. I would rather leave mine alive even if it means a little bit of doubt!

Jenny

I'm with you on that one Jenny.

[DL]

Sorry I thought my response was well measured based on well documented widely available info, based on the experiences of people with many years work in the field along with a clearly stated guess based on twentysometing years experience as an amature and eight years as an ecologist.

This obviously fails to reach the sandards you expect I wont waste anymore of your time, cheers.

[John]

Originally Posted by DL

Sorry I thought my response was well measured based on well documented widely available info, based on the experiences of people with many years work in the field along with a clearly stated guess based on twentysometing years experience as an amature and eight years as an ecologist.

This obviously fails to reach the sandards you expect I wont waste anymore of your time, cheers.

I'm sorry DL but your not wasting my time as this is a discussion not a character assasintion. I have very little input into this debate as I have only just over a years experience with moths that is why I go to the people that know. These experts have far more than twenty years experience, try 40 or more years each and each is at the top of their game, both here and in parts of Europe. Some have written papers on the subject so don't have a go at me just name your sources. I certainly can put you in touch with the best, can you.

John