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Old 27-06-2011, 01:13 PM
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I need some rat advice please!

And as you lovely people are wildlife experts I thought you may be able to help.

We've recently moved into a property that has been empty for around 2 years. When my husband went into the loft he found evidence of old rat droppings and nests as well as poison, so we presumed there had been a rat infestation and because we couldn't find any fresh evidence of rats we hoped it had been dealt with. Just in case he put down poison and 2 rat traps which I wasn't too happy about because I'm a softie!

We've been here 2 months without problem but on Fri night I was awoken by scuffling and gnawing in the loft. The following morning revealed a rat half caught in a trap and still alive and the other trap missing! We've searched everywhere for it but can't find it. None of the poison had been touched.

I'm now loathe to put any more traps down but my husband insists we need to. I know they are not and never have been in the house and we've nothing growing up our house so I can only assume they are getting in through the wall cavities. Is there any evidence either in the garden or elsewhere I could be looking for and does anyone have any clues as to what could have happened to the other rat trap?? Also advice on how to deal with the problem humanely would be good. I really really don't want any more half dead rats to contend with!

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Old 27-06-2011, 03:06 PM
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Re: I need some rat advice please!

Hi Sherlockian and welcome to the WAB forum.

This website harbours all manner of folks, with views on wildlife that cover a wide spectrum ... not all of which might be considered to be particularly enlightened or even especially wildlife-friendly!

So don't assume my response to be anywhere close to typical ... I expect that others, with viewpoints diammetrically opposed to my own, will make themselves known to you also.

First of all, let me ask you to consider that the property you have recently moved into and imagine to now be 'yours' ... is actually only so because you have signed a contract with another human being ... and not because you have entered into some covenant with the Universe, Mother Nature, God, or whatever other higher authority, depending on your personal belief system. We share this planet with lots of other life-forms ... it's not ours exclusively.

This property that has lain empty (of humans) for 2 years, may have then already been home to many generations of rats and other small occupants ... and perhaps for countless more generations on that same plot in the years before the house was even erected.

So just who are the real interlopers in this story ... the rats, or you and your family?

I'm only asking you to alter your viewpoint and perceptions for the sake of fairness and justice ... two of the key things which afterall underpin our concept of advanced civilization.

Are you justified in trying to kill the rats to end your perceived conflict with them? Not in my opinion ... and certainly not by deploying means that are clearly not 'humane' if the traps you used are causing injury and prolonged suffering, and not an instant death. Rat poison always causes prolonged suffering, as the animals slowly bleed to death through every orifice ... and poses a further risk to many things that may consume the carcase.

Your situation is not without a satisfactory resolution (for all parties) however, if you choose to take an enlightened approach ... and by understanding something about rats.

Rats are intelligent mammals, but they are naturally nervous of anything new ... they especially don't like disturbance of their established routines.

It may be enough to encourage the rats to vacate your loft, by simply using it on a regular basis ... but more practically and on a shorter term basis, you can encourage them to look for more suitable accommodation by putting in the loft (or other affected places) :

a) a battery-powered radio, tuned to a music or talk channel (though you'd probably want to turn this off overnight, which may diminish it's effectiveness )

and/or

b) a battery-powered strobe-light

Suitable strobe-lights are those often found in mountaineering outfitters, or ship chandlers (search online or find thenm on eBay), for use as personal emergency beacons. They emit a very bright flash of light every few seconds and can run continuously for more than 16 hrs on a single D-cell battery (rechargeable ones are more cost-effective in the longterm).

This method of encouraging rats or mice to vacate 'your' property involves only a low-cost outlay, is humane, hygenic ... and quickly effective !

However, you can ONLY use this method, if you are absolutely sure that your loft-space isn't also providing safe-harbour to bats, pine martens, or any other specially protected species (that you should also feel honoured to have sharing where you choose to make your home).

Once the rats have left, you then need to ensure you fit adequate barriers to discourage their return.
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Old 27-06-2011, 03:20 PM
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Re: I need some rat advice please!

that is a very fluffy reply,and probably no help to the original question.
Rats are a pest.They destroy property,and are filthy.

There is another post on here,which will probably help you sort out the problem.
I wouldnt want to share my house with rats,so I can understand your situation.
I too,love animals,so its a difficult one
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Old 27-06-2011, 03:44 PM
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that is a very fluffy reply ...
Rats are a pest. They destroy property,and are filthy.
My response was a pragmatic alternative to trapping ... yours appears to proffer nothing but entrenched prejudice.

I did foretell your coming however.
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Old 27-06-2011, 03:46 PM
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Re: I need some rat advice please!

Thank you for both those replies. I have seen the other rat thread and have asked on there too, unfortunately I saw it after I had started this one.

ValleyForge, I understand your reasoning however, if left to nature then we wouldn't be providing these rats with such easy, warm and convenient shelters would we? The reason there is such a huge rat explosion is largely down to us and how we have become a throwaway nation.

I love wildlife and one the things we'll do is set up bug houses in the garden, bird feeders and will encourage hedgehogs and other wild creatures. However rats are not nice no matter how you look at it.

They are cannibals. They eat pet rabbits, tear apart chicks and are a general threat to other species of wildlife. They also carry nasty diseases which is of particular concern to us as we have 2 children - and our neighbours also have young kiddies.

I have no wish to harm or maime a wild animal but if I take into account the threat they pose to us and other wildlife and the fact that if we were not here then we wouldn't be providing such a convenient home that allows them to breed, then I have to do something to protect my environment as they would if their home was invaded.

I have heard that they will not enter humane traps as they are too intelligent. Poison is a concern in case a pet cat, buzzard or fox were to eat the rat they would be poisoned too. Traps appear only to be effective to a certain point and they are far from humane when they go wrong.

There is an electronic device that I can consider which will deter the rats and that works very much in the way that a radio would which you suggested. Trust me, if the rats left in peace then I would be over the moon because as much as I love wildlife, there are some types I don't particularly want to share my home with!

Many thanks for your replies however, it's always good to get different perspectives on these things.
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There is an electronic device that I can consider which will deter the rats and that works very much in the way that a radio would which you suggested. Trust me, if the rats left in peace then I would be over the moon because as much as I love wildlife, there are some types I don't particularly want to share my home with.
If you are referring to the ultra-sonic rodent repellers, then save your money ... they are not effective, even for mice.

A strobe is very effective (for around the same price) ... most people already own a portable radio ... but you need of course to discourage rats from staying around by removing access to both food and shelter thereafter.

This is a wildlife forum ... not a pest control forum. I had hoped you might be more open to conflict solutions that are friendly to ALL forms of wildlife.
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Old 27-06-2011, 04:17 PM
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Re: I need some rat advice please!

ValleyForge, the reason I posted on here is because I wanted some wildlife friendly advice. I've already stated that I'm not happy using either poison or traps and now you've helpfully given advice on the electronic devices.

I don't own a battery operated radio and will look into how much strobe lights are.

I appreciate that you don't want to hear of any animal, no matter how hated, being hurt and trust me, I'd rather avoid that too which is why I'm asking for advice and not just spreading poison around the place.

However if all other options fail then I shall have to resort to traps in order to avoid poisoning other wildlife - a tip I wouldn't have thought about had I not read info on here.

I do appreciate all replies and will consider every method advised if I've not already tried it.
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Old 27-06-2011, 04:19 PM
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Re: I need some rat advice please!

Oh and there is no food or water to remove in the loft. As the house was empty for 2 years it's unlikely they were coming here for nourishment.
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I appreciate that you don't want to hear of any animal, no matter how hated, being hurt and trust me, I'd rather avoid that too which is why I'm asking for advice and not just spreading poison around the place.
You under-estimate me ... I'd rather tackle the problem of why people hate/fear rats.
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Old 27-06-2011, 05:02 PM
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Re: I need some rat advice please!

In my experience most humans have a dislike/fear of rats. I have a friend whose wife having a newborn baby was awoken one night by a rat suckling at her breast one can only imagine the horror this lady felt. As I understand it it is a proven fact that rats carry some pretty awful diseases that they can spread among the human population there is a particularly nasty disease called lyme disease that can be caught by swinming in rivers it is caused by the urine of rats the British water board could probably give more information on this particular infection.and of course they can nore their way through cupboard doors etc to steal the food from our mouths so although I would always open a window to allow a wasp or bee to escape I would have no compunction whatsoever in killing rats.Having said all this if you contact your local council/environment agency and notify them of the infestation they will solve the problem for you for they are considered pests
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