cannock chase red deer

[lewiso]

hi ive been going to cannock chase for years walking but am yet to see a red deer there ive bben told there are about 100 on there. ive seen countlees fellow deer but realy want to see a red deer does anybody know where about they are on the chase? i mostly go on the stafford side of the chase maybe they are on the otherside

[paulthomas]

They're there if you know where to look. I'm not about to blab that information out on a public forum though as it would put the deer at even greater risk from poaching. Sorry but the deer's safety must come first.

[Lance Morgan]

Send a p m then

[lewiso]

I to agree that they do need protection from poachers. But im sure that if the poachers realy wanted to find them then they would probably alot faster than me.
I beleive that for there protection in the long term there has to a greater public interest in the red deer and this can not be acheived by the attitude of ' there there if you know where to look'. Wildlife should be there for everybody to enjoy not just the people who already know where to go if this was the case then in 20 years there would be very very few people animal or bird watching apart from in there garden or eeven worse only on tv. The wildlife in this country is already being ignored by todays children in a few years when my children are old enough to go out with me i would much prefer them to be with me watching red deer than sat at home watching tv or on a games console but without the help of knowing where to go this will not be the case.

sorry if this seems if im having a rant but as a 24 year old who lived in the middle of a city untill a few years ago if nobody had helped me with what to do or where to go i would never of gained a interest in wildlife.

[paulthomas]

Originally Posted by lewiso

I beleive that for there protection in the long term there has to a greater public interest in the red deer and this can not be acheived by the attitude of ' there there if you know where to look'. Wildlife should be there for everybody to enjoy not just the people who already know where to go.

You're very naive by the sounds of it. Maybe if you were intimately involved in wildlife conservation in Staffordshire you'd have a more balanced view.

Originally Posted by lewiso

if this was the case then in 20 years there would be very very few people animal or bird watching apart from in there garden or eeven worse only on tv. The wildlife in this country is already being ignored by todays children in a few years when my children are old enough to go out with me i would much prefer them to be with me watching red deer than sat at home watching tv or on a games console but without the help of knowing where to go this will not be the case.

sorry if this seems if im having a rant but as a 24 year old who lived in the middle of a city untill a few years ago if nobody had helped me with what to do or where to go i would never of gained a interest in wildlife.

Whilst your desire to show your children Red Deer is laudable it cannot be at the expense of the safety of the deer themselves. Providing detailed information would be as irresponsible as broadcasting the exact location of a Badger sett. If you simply want to see Red Deer then take a trip over to Bradgate Park just north of Leicester.

[deer boy]

Hi lewiso & welcome to WAB
I don't know cannock chase but i'm sure if u go out early in the morning or late in the evening & wait you'll see red deer.
Try finding an advantage point where u have a good view & wait with some binoculars.
Perhaps try different locations each time u go but keep trying & i'm sure you'll find them.
As i say there most active in the morning & evening,let us know if you see any

[RobSutton]

Originally Posted by lewiso

I to agree that they do need protection from poachers. But im sure that if the poachers realy wanted to find them then they would probably alot faster than me.
I beleive that for there protection in the long term there has to a greater public interest in the red deer and this can not be acheived by the attitude of ' there there if you know where to look'. Wildlife should be there for everybody to enjoy not just the people who already know where to go if this was the case then in 20 years there would be very very few people animal or bird watching apart from in there garden or eeven worse only on tv. The wildlife in this country is already being ignored by todays children in a few years when my children are old enough to go out with me i would much prefer them to be with me watching red deer than sat at home watching tv or on a games console but without the help of knowing where to go this will not be the case.

sorry if this seems if im having a rant but as a 24 year old who lived in the middle of a city untill a few years ago if nobody had helped me with what to do or where to go i would never of gained a interest in wildlife.

Hi there - unlike Paul I tend to agree with you on this one. The people who poach deer or rob rare birds eggs etc already know exactly where to go.

For too long conservation in this country was a private club. You joined the local "Trust" got a key to the reserve and it got us absolutely nowhere. It's only in the last twenty years or so that wildlife has become mainstream and accessible to anyone and that's just how it should be.

ps .... and I've been intimately involved in conservation for well over thirty years now and some of those years were in Staffordshire.

pps ... welcome Lewiso

[paulthomas]

Originally Posted by RobSutton

Hi there - unlike Paul I tend to agree with you on this one. The people who poach deer or rob rare birds eggs etc already know exactly where to go.

Not necessarily. And there's not point in making it even easier for them. That would be like leaving your house unlocked just because one of your neighbours got burgled.

Originally Posted by RobSutton

For too long conservation in this country was a private club. You joined the local "Trust" got a key to the reserve and it got us absolutely nowhere. It's only in the last twenty years or so that wildlife has become mainstream and accessible to anyone and that's just how it should be.

ps .... and I've been intimately involved in conservation for well over thirty years now and some of those years were in Staffordshire.

Apart from a few sites run by West Midlands Bird Club, name one reserve in Staffordshire which is members only.

[lewiso]

If more people are able to out and see them out in the wild then there would be far more public interest and more public interest means more public funding for there protection and enviroment in which they live, which im sure you would agree could only be beneficial for the deer and al the flora and fauna in the area.
If they are kept secret people just wont be interested in them and one day it will to late for anybody to see them in the wild!

[RobSutton]

Originally Posted by paulthomas

Not necessarily. And there's not point in making it even easier for them. That would be like leaving your house unlocked just because one of your neighbours got burgled.



Apart from a few sites run by West Midlands Bird Club, name one reserve in Staffordshire which is members only.

The burglars know where your house is but by joining a Neighbourhood Watch scheme or asking your next door neighbour to keep an eye on your place when you're away on holiday it makes it less likely to be burgled. Just the same as when a local community knows and cares about the rarity nesting in the wood down the road it becomes much harder for someone to steal the eggs.

I was careful in my reply to speak about how things used to be - it was all in the past tense. I haven't lived in Staffs for a good few years now so am not familiar with who owns what so I can't rise to your challenge but I bet there are NNR's, SSSI's and Wildlife Trust reserves that have limited public access as well as the West Midlands Bird Club ones.

I think Spolky has hit the nail on the head by talking about the need to educate people - that can only happen if people can get out and share views of thigs like the deer on Cannock Chase.