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09-04-2008, 05:29 PM
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| | | Badger cull, would you avoid Welsh produce
If the Badger cull goes ahead in Wales, would you avoid Welsh beef and Dairy products?
Lots of replies wanted even if they are just YES or NO.
Make your views known to the Welsh Assembly as well. Contact Elin Jones AM rural affairs minister in charge of the decision elin.jones@wales.gov.uk |
09-04-2008, 06:33 PM
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Yes i would avoid it, in the same way i only eat dolphin friendly tuna. Its just the same.
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09-04-2008, 06:36 PM
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hmmmm very possibly, unless there's a nice ' Badger friendly farm' label or something.
I'd never support widespread eradication of a native species and just can't support a cull that not only might not work but actually might make things worse. |
09-04-2008, 07:27 PM
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Hello roaring mouse,
hard to avoid some welsh produce as I live in wales. But only buy vegetables anyway as am vegan. But definitely recommend a boycott, or even writing to Welsh producers of cheese etc and specialist dairy/meat foods to express disquiet  |
09-04-2008, 07:53 PM
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Yes. In fact, I probably won't go there at all anymore, which is a shame as I like the place and usually go birdwatching there a lot.
Flippin' 'eck! Just thought, I am planning on catching the ferry from Holyhead to Eire in August!
Regards, Chris
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09-04-2008, 08:37 PM
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I don't eat beef at all, and haven't done for some years since discovering that the cattle were fed offal from other animals which gave rise to bovine spongiform encepholopothy, as I understand it. I object to the effects on the environment and the atmosphere caused by widespread cattle farming, and I consider that the world would be a better place if we gave up keeping cattle for meat, and could even spread the milk demands among other animals as many people would welcome more readily available cheaper goats milk.
I love Wales, and find Welsh people generally delightful, friendly and welcoming, but object very strongly to this decision to wipe out Badgers in defence of the cattle. I think we should all stop eating beef altogether, but then I am slightly mad, very depressed, and I'm having a particularly bad day!
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09-04-2008, 08:47 PM
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But I don't think we should blame Welsh people.
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10-04-2008, 11:03 AM
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You don 't sound the slightest bit mad badgerwatcher, just sensible and it is indeed depressing  |
10-04-2008, 12:41 PM
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I've emailed Elin Jones and said I'm prepared to boycott. No, I don't blame the Welsh en masse at all, but if farmers want consumers to support them, it's got to be a two-way street. |
11-04-2008, 11:27 AM
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I cannot avoid welsh produce as I live in wales... All of our stuff is bought from local farmers etc, rather than supermarkets, and the only way to avoid eating 'welsh' so to speak would be to go back to eating mass farmed food. I'm not prepared to do that. So, while I don't agree with teh Badger cull in the slightest, I'll not be avoiding Welsh produce
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11-04-2008, 12:06 PM
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| | | Re: Badger cull, would you avoid Welsh produce
Same here, if I didn't live in Wales, I probably would be prepared to boycott Welsh produce, but seeing as I'm as much against unnecessary food miles and supermarkets giving farmers a bed deal as I am against the Badger cull, I'm a bit torn to be honest!
Will have to ask at my local farm (which has an organic produce shop) whether or not they're supporting Badgers being culled on their land...I suspect they wouldn't be, as they're also a place where tourists stay and pride themselves on the local wildlife. |
11-04-2008, 03:05 PM
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It's something I hate to have to push, the avoidance of Welsh produce, but maybe if the threat is big enough from enough people then the Assembly will see sense.
Remember the only reason why they are pushing the cull is because as far as they are concerned it is preferable to blame a scapegoat than to lay a financial burden on the farmers themselves. Politically a no goer, especially in the case of Elin Jones, (Palid Cymru) who is dependant on the farming community as backbone supporters.
We are ourselves principally vegetarian and only ever buy Organic dairy produce. Organic producers are more educated in the principles of good nutrition for their herds, do not feed them on high carb diets or house them in poor unsanitary conditions. They are also restricted to one import of extra animals for the herd a year. They too have to have their animals tested, but I have yet to hear of an organic farmer worried about Badgers.
It is the conventional farmers who are the threat (a large majority that is) some have more sense than to believe the absolute rubbish touted about TB and Badgers. But not many.
Pig headed, knuckle draggers respond to one thing only, a threat to their pocket.
Threaten them and try to get at least one other person to do so. Let them know you are from outside Wales, if that is the case. Exports are serious business and the threat of loss even more serious.
Remember selective purchasing is just as good as none purchase of the produce that is causing the problem, conventional dairy and beef products.
Just let them know you are angry with what they are doing.
How about dropping a few very subtle hints, Zoundz & NicolaB where you do your shopping, just so they know how their customers think.  |
11-04-2008, 03:32 PM
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Yes, I would if I could find any decent non-Welsh produce here. Unfortunately I also live in wales, so choice is limited (unlike in England, where it is sadly easier to buy anything foreign than it is to buy locally produced English food!). But I will certainly do my best to buy anyhting non=Welsh I can find, provided it ethical and safe.
I am very angry about what is being proposed here. I am living in one of the 'hotspot' areas which are being considered for culling. I am NOT a farmer. I bought this property some 10 years ago, with a small plot land on which I have spent a great deal of time and money (without any subsidised help from any of my farming neighbours!) to establish as a diverse, healthy wildlfe area for posterity and as somewhere to hand on to my nephew and niece when the time comes and the rest of the world had been completely ruined (I would have prefered a place in England, but I coudn't afford such a place there). That has long been my life's ambition.
Now, 10 years on, we have foxes, owls, buzzards, red kites, kestrels and many other species, as well as many Badgers. I have worked VERY HARD to make this happen, without financial help from anyone.
I am surrounded by farmers here. Many of them exhibit, frankly, appalling husbandry, with carcasses left out for weeks without being cleared up, mud and muck spilled out all over the roads and ditches and many of the animals look frankly quite badly cared for. Many farmers here are lazy when it comes to basic moral care!
I am not in the least bit surprised that diseases like foot-and-mouth and Bovine TB have been such a problem here. Yet no one has ever made any real effort to check up on the hygene standards of these people.
No... instead these farmers repay me, who has payed their ill-deserved, subsidised wages as a tax payer all my working life, by taking from me the few things that are the most important in my life.
It really comes to something when someone else can come on to your property and literally destroy your world, as a mis-guided remedy for the shortcomings of there own unprofessional standards. They operate immorally, and when it catches up with them, they take it out on my world; bought, paid for, and lovingly developed.
Sorry if I have gone on a bit, but I can't begin to explain just how angry I am about this. |
11-04-2008, 03:34 PM
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Yes, I would if I could find any decent non-Welsh produce here. Unfortunately I also live in wales, so choice is limited (unlike in England, where it is sadly easier to buy anything foreign than it is to buy locally produced English food!). But I will certainly do my best to buy anything non-Welsh I can find, provided it ethical and safe.
I am very angry about what is being proposed here. I am living in one of the 'hotspot' areas which are being considered for culling. I am NOT a farmer. I bought this property some 10 years ago, with a small plot land on which I have spent a great deal of time and money (without any subsidised help from any of my farming neighbours!) to establish as a diverse, healthy wildlfe area for posterity and as somewhere to hand on to my nephew and niece when the time comes and the rest of the world had been completely ruined (I would have prefered a place in England, but I coudn't afford such a place there). That has long been my life's ambition.
Now, 10 years on, we have foxes, owls, buzzards, red kites, kestrels and many other species, as well as many Badgers. I have worked VERY HARD to make this happen, without financial help from anyone.
I am surrounded by farmers here. Many of them exhibit, frankly, appalling husbandry, with carcasses left out for weeks without being cleared up, mud and muck spilled out all over the roads and ditches and many of the animals look frankly quite badly cared for. Many farmers here are lazy when it comes to basic moral care!
I am not in the least bit surprised that diseases like foot-and-mouth and Bovine TB have been such a problem here. Yet no one has ever made any real effort to check up on the hygene standards of these people.
No... instead these farmers repay me, who has payed their ill-deserved, subsidised wages as a tax payer all my working life, by taking from me the few things that are the most important in my life.
It really comes to something when someone else can come on to your property and literally destroy your world, as a mis-guided remedy for the shortcomings of there own unprofessional standards. They operate immorally, and when it catches up with them, they take it out on my world; bought, paid for, and lovingly developed.
Sorry if I have gone on a bit, but I can't begin to explain just how angry I am about this.
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11-04-2008, 04:14 PM
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Elin Jones is speaking to her narrow group of supporters in rural Wales,and the NFU farming unions, not for the majority of good Welsh people and good farmers who cannot speak out because of pressure. Plaid Cymru are feeling a surge of power 
Boycott Welsh produce plus if you are considering a Welsh holiday ever in the future, please write to Rhodri Morgan/Elin Jones, and express your views
The Assembly vote is Tuesday so there's not much time left! |
11-04-2008, 04:42 PM
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Not many people know this Springer5,you can refuse admittance to anyone even the Ministry to your land if their intention is to cull Badgers. |
11-04-2008, 09:27 PM
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Will Elin Jones disclose if she's received emails like mine saying they're appalled by the cull and as a result intend boycotting Welsh beef/dairy products? Is there someone else I should be copying in to make sure the emails get read? |
11-04-2008, 09:48 PM
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I'd rather see a hundred dead farmers than one Badger. Get a normal job that pays minimum wage. Don't cry that you can't live like you used to. Farmers are full of it.
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11-04-2008, 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by vole-woman  Will Elin Jones disclose if she's received emails like mine saying they're appalled by the cull and as a result intend boycotting Welsh beef/dairy products? Is there someone else I should be copying in to make sure the emails get read? | rhodri.morgan@wales.gsi.gov.uk.
First Minister for Wales, Rhodri Morgan. Head person at the WA, it's a good idea to email him as well as Elin Jones.
I don't know what these people do about their emails or whether they admit they have got hundreds against something. I have written a letter to Elin Jones, but emailed Adam Price my MP as he never bothers answering letters in my experience.
There is a good group in the south west wales"hotspot "who are doing their best at the WA, anyone wants more information can pm me. |
11-04-2008, 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Roaring Mouse Not many people know this Springer5,you can refuse admittance to anyone even the Ministry to your land if their intention is to cull Badgers. | Thanks for the advice Roaring Mouse. You're right. I did not know this.
It's going to be hard to just stand there trying to physically stop a load of 'officials', who will probably have police support, without having some firm legal ground to stand on though. These people have the power to MAKE the law (to suit themselves!). Knowing my luck they'll probably just change it while they're stood there arguing.
Is there a law I can quote or something. Where did you here this ?
Maybe it's worth me visiting a solicitor or something. |
11-04-2008, 10:02 PM
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Springer5, I know how you are feeling. However, there would have to be a change in the law before anyone can come onto your property. This would not be very likely and would provoke total outrage and legal challenges. For instance, the wildlife trusts and other charities who own land are completely opposed to a Badger cull.
In the 1970s we turned away a MAFF Badger gassing team successfully  |
12-04-2008, 08:06 AM
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Thank you, stripee. I've forwarded the original email to Rhodri Morgan. |
12-04-2008, 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by vole-woman Thank you, stripee. I've forwarded the original email to Rhodri Morgan. | I hope the address worked Ok, it shouldn't have the full stop after the co.uk.
So good, vole-woman, if everyone can make the maximum fuss now. If a cull goes ahead here in Wales without too much opposition, then I fear Hilary Benn may give the go ahead for the South West England licences. I expect they will wait until after the May local elections though |
12-04-2008, 05:37 PM
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I haven't had a reply, even an automated one, but otoh neither email's bounced back so i think they've got through. | |
