Badger cull, would you avoid Welsh produce

[Springer5]

Originally Posted by paulthomas

The biggest load of rubbish I've heard in a long time.

Do you have a link to this DH ??

LOL

[Springer5]

Originally Posted by Deerhunter

Are you suggesting people be culled ?

You are becoming increasingly bizarre.

Back in the real world, in 4 years time TB costs will take up 70% of DEFRA's budget.

What is your considered solution?

Stop all compensation tomorrow? Just that one thing?

Have a think about it.

You are the clever one !!!

Intersting DEFRA stats DH, any chance of a link ??

lol

If that really does happen who will pay for the fencing ?
Surely not the farmer !!!!

Only kidding.

More seriously, I'm not advocating culling humans (or badgers). I'm just making the point that if someone were to have that opinion it would not sound so different from your 'badger' version.

[stripee]

Hi springer5, a while back I found parts of black legs and thought it was a badger but turned out to be a black goat dumped in a sack when I found the rest. Also a few weeks ago the dead peregrine falcon, still at the lab, suspected poisoning. The list goes on and on... my neighbours are ok though, one not being very interested in farming - his slurry pit leaked for years into the stream, and the other farm run from a distance as extra pasture as the house is empty.
Our part of Wales receives Objective 1 funding from the EU as an area of extreme deprivation (in modern terms). Farmers are not at the top of the deprived list, they have their Union. The deprived ones are those like some people I know, both working, who were living in a rat infested old ambulance with 2 kids for years until last week when they moved into their house. The farmers all have 4x4s and farmhouses.

Badgers equally could have caught bTB from cattle as the incidence is highest in areas with high cattle density.
The badger cull has to be 100% efficient to achieve the small drop in bTB hoped for, in Ireland it did not achieve this. Snaring will have to be used as a method as there is no other method suitable for a long period. In Ireland other animals were caught in the snares such as pets. If the small drop in the disease is achieved, then it still leaves most of the problem to deal with I would have thought

[stripee]

Maybe my last post should have gone in the other badger thread, there are 3 threads to chose from now
As for avoiding welsh produce, it is sad for all the people who run businesses if there was a general avoidance. But if some feel that they don't want to factor dead badgers into their food, then it's a choice that they can make if there is labelling that states place of origin. I wouldn't personally want to visit Irish destinations where there is a cull.

[Garden Witch]

Stripee and Springer you write such good sense. LOL.

[Roaring Mouse]

Originally Posted by eeyore

No I wouldnt

not because i support the cull which i dont

but because the only way to stop the cull , and more importantly the desire to cull is to get farmers to look at the science objectively

and they arent going to do that if they are being squeezed financialy and are close to loosing everything - instead these circs will encourage them to kill anything which has any chance at all of harming their remaining profit margin.

Instead I would advocate a buy british/buy welsh campaign to take financial pressure off farmers and allow them more financial room to absorb the cost of reactors in their herds, then they might be less inclined to cull wildlife as a precaution.

they are also more likely to listen to us (ie the pro badger group ) if we are perceived as freinds , rather than as enemies who want to bankrupt them.

Getting back to what you say about educating, Eeyore. If we wait for the education process, it is going to be a long time coming. Farmers for the cull will only be convinced in any way when their superiors ie. DEFRA, Veterinaries, NFU, are convinced themselves and then educate the farmers. This is not going to happen in the near future.
Meanwhile the cull will go ahead and who knows how many Badgers are destroyed, dozens, hundreds? Do we wait for that to happen? I would sincerely love an intelligent approach, but the authorities are not using that.

So what do we do, sit back and just wait? Or take a more proactive measure.

In the world outside farming if you manufacturing or services have to reach certain standards. If your customers cannot abide your manufacturing methods, say you employ babies to work on 18 hour shifts until they drop down dead, then replace them from poor single mothers kept breeding for the purpose of. ( I know that's sick, but it was on the cuff of the moment )
You would avoid the product, I hope.

So we have only one way to show an immediate response, avoid those Welsh products that are intricately entwined with the culling of wildlife. They are using extremely poor science to come to their conclusions. We have to act now.

Target your products if you want, don't buy conventional farm products, buy Welsh organic. Just move your custom elsewhere. The organic movement do not support the symptomatic treatment approach of conventional agriculture. (in general that is apart from the odd confused individuals).

Boycotting works and response can be very swift to the threat. We need that.

[Garden Witch]

I shall definitely be joining the growing numbers of people who will be avoiding Welsh products if this senseless killing of our Badgers goes ahead.
After the Badger I wonder what other of our wild creatures will be added to the hit list.

[paulthomas]

Originally Posted by Springer5

Do you have a link to this DH ??

LOL

Sorry but you've got really confused. Are you claiming that I'm DH under a 2nd log-in (which I most definitely am not!!!!!!) or what?

[paulthomas]

Originally Posted by Garden Witch

I shall definitely be joining the growing numbers of people who will be avoiding Welsh products if this senseless killing of our Badgers goes ahead.
After the Badger I wonder what other of our wild creatures will be added to the hit list.

I'll certainly be trying to do the same. One thing we could all do is email Amazon (who have a big distribution warehouse in Wales) and tell them we'll boycott them. If you're going to do a boycott then hit the big guys who's squeals will be heard by the politicians

[Springer5]

Originally Posted by paulthomas

Sorry but you've got really confused. Are you claiming that I'm DH under a 2nd log-in (which I most definitely am not!!!!!!) or what?

Hi Paul

Sorry about the confusion there. No, my post was not meant for you at all. I tried to quote DH but the blog kept quoting only your reponse to him instead by mistake. I kept trying to redo it, but it just kept doing it wrong. My comments were intended as a response to DH's post about the DEFRA budget. I agree with your comments on the matter, and was trying to ask him for a link to back it up.

Regards