Chief Scientist Urges Badger Cull

[Ukwildlifeo]

Originally Posted by bunnylover

A few years ago this would have been a fantastic site and still has great potential but due to the attitude of biased ignorant "let all the animals of farthing wood live in peace"it is exremely hard to read.If this is the attitude of most on here i find that while we all have a great interest in nature then we shall never agree,as 90%of members have no idea of the benifits of control of predatory species and the damage they do and continue to do to our native wild life.
Take the control of pest species away and we ll end up with an abundance of pest species which will naturally decline due to the lessening numbers of prey.
Most boastfully proclaim themselves to be countryside professionals yet have little or no idea of the condition of our natural world.
No offence to any individuals but most come across as the kill nothing for any reason brigade,
Shame as a site with thinking people with a knowledge and care of species,not just individuals could have so much to offer,instead we ended up fighting about whether ,not whether its wrong to kill,BUT whether its wrong to enjoy it. PITY

Well I think it IS a good site and just because 90% of the people don't totally agree with everyword you say, doesn't mean they are wrong.

And just beacuse some people dont believe in killing certain animals for certain reasons dowsn't mean we all have "ignorantlet all the animals of farthing wood live in peace" attitudes. I for example dont believe badgers should be culled due to scientific evidence saying it will be pointless, don't see the point in chasing a threatened species like the hare to the point of exhustion but I do however believe grey squirrels need to be controlled in order to protect the red squirrel from extinction.

And as for the "Most boastfully proclaim themselves to be countryside professionals yet have little or no idea of the condition of our natural world." We all know who your on about and frankly its getting old and tiresome.

And finally I dont think its fair to judge an entire forum on 2threads for a week

[Hobjob]

Originally Posted by bunnylover

A few years ago this would have been a fantastic site and still has great potential but due to the attitude of biased ignorant "let all the animals of farthing wood live in peace"it is exremely hard to read.If this is the attitude of most on here i find that while we all have a great interest in nature then we shall never agree,as 90%of members have no idea of the benifits of control of predatory species and the damage they do and continue to do to our native wild life.
Take the control of pest species away and we ll end up with an abundance of pest species which will naturally decline due to the lessening numbers of prey.
Most boastfully proclaim themselves to be countryside professionals yet have little or no idea of the condition of our natural world.
No offence to any individuals but most come across as the kill nothing for any reason brigade,
Shame as a site with thinking people with a knowledge and care of species,not just individuals could have so much to offer,instead we ended up fighting about whether ,not whether its wrong to kill,BUT whether its wrong to enjoy it. PITY

I have managed to read much of this thread, but not all!

I have learnt much and found much of it interesting.
I have been impressed by the courtesy,

However I find bunnylover's post curious to put it mildy.

There seems muddle between what is a "predator", unless mycobacterium is being counted as a "predator" - even if the thread was about predators, there is confusion about predator / prey balance. I have not felt any of the professional wildlife people have been boastful, and as for "most come across as the kill nothing for any reason brigade", well that is an extraordinary statement, as most of the anti-cullers have been very clear in their view that culling is not the way to go because the science suggests that it will not result in less bTB, i.e. it won't work.

Finally I haven't noted anyone talking about the enjoyment of of killing animals.

[Hobjob]

What about Borcetshire Brains ??

I know the Archers had TB on Brookfield farm and David shot a badger, though he didn't enjoy and was very remorseful

[The Black Rabbit]

Originally Posted by bunnylover

A few years ago this would have been a fantastic site and still has great potential but due to the attitude of biased ignorant "let all the animals of farthing wood live in peace"it is exremely hard to read.If this is the attitude of most on here i find that while we all have a great interest in nature then we shall never agree,as 90%of members have no idea of the benifits of control of predatory species and the damage they do and continue to do to our native wild life.
Take the control of pest species away and we ll end up with an abundance of pest species which will naturally decline due to the lessening numbers of prey.
Most boastfully proclaim themselves to be countryside professionals yet have little or no idea of the condition of our natural world.
No offence to any individuals but most come across as the kill nothing for any reason brigade,
Shame as a site with thinking people with a knowledge and care of species,not just individuals could have so much to offer,instead we ended up fighting about whether ,not whether its wrong to kill,BUT whether its wrong to enjoy it. PITY

Whilst I agree that many people in Britain seem to disney-fy the animal Kingdom (as a nation we're (in)famous for it), and I share a basic concern with you bunnylover about the views of some - "the animals of farthing wood should be left to live in peace", thats where I probably stop agreeing with you.
I think this site does an incredibly difficult job, very well in my opinion.
A varied group of people, with different backgrounds and training, some scientists, some employed in the environmental sector, some countryside professionals, some agricultural workers, some farmers, some huntsmen (and women), some 'fieldsmen' and women, some trained and employed in different industries, some unemployed I'm sure, some living in towns or cities, some who will never leave the countryside, all caring enough (for whatever reasons) to engage in a well-mannered (in most cases) debate about important issues.

Ignorant? No. Not in my opinion. Far from it.
Biased? This word has been banded about by people in a few threads recently, and is often incorrectly used.
Someone mentioned this before on this thread, about this debate being somewhat ironic - 2 sets of people who care about wildlife and consevation, being at loggerheads - I agree completely.

Yes, it sometimes frustrates me to hear a disney argument being put forward, (like you I suppose), but I'd far rather have that, than a world (and site) where nobody cares about anything.

Cheers
Doug

[stripee]

More about vaccines, for badgers this time, from DEFRA Defra, UK - Science Search

[bunnylover]

Originally Posted by The Black Rabbit

Whilst I agree that many people in Britain seem to disney-fy the animal Kingdom (as a nation we're (in)famous for it), and I share a basic concern with you bunnylover about the views of some - "the animals of farthing wood should be left to live in peace", thats where I probably stop agreeing with you.
I think this site does an incredibly difficult job, very well in my opinion.
A varied group of people, with different backgrounds and training, some scientists, some employed in the environmental sector, some countryside professionals, some agricultural workers, some farmers, some huntsmen (and women), some 'fieldsmen' and women, some trained and employed in different industries, some unemployed I'm sure, some living in towns or cities, some who will never leave the countryside, all caring enough (for whatever reasons) to engage in a well-mannered (in most cases) debate about important issues.

Ignorant? No. Not in my opinion. Far from it.
Biased? This word has been banded about by people in a few threads recently, and is often incorrectly used.
Someone mentioned this before on this thread, about this debate being somewhat ironic - 2 sets of people who care about wildlife and consevation, being at loggerheads - I agree completely.

Yes, it sometimes frustrates me to hear a disney argument being put forward, (like you I suppose), but I'd far rather have that, than a world (and site) where nobody cares about anything.

Cheers
Doug

Ive yet to come across a site where nobody cares about anything ,that would be starnge,maybe you can name one.I know there are countryside professionals on this site but to boast about yourself being one ?On sites where people don t know you boasts and claims are meaningless ,especially when those who claim such things talk a little amatuerish.Anyhow i think anyone who feels im talking about them should be able to defend themselves,rather than an "anthill mob" of defenders ganging up to take a shot.As i said i think this is a good site very informative indeed but the intelligence of someone who calls themselves a countryside professional and can t see the problems of overpopulation in any species with no natural predators has to be questioned.Disease,disease ,disease,its just common sense.
Look forward to the mountain of attacks

[The Black Rabbit]

Originally Posted by bunnylover

Ive yet to come across a site where nobody cares about anything ,that would be starnge,maybe you can name one.I know there are countryside professionals on this site but to boast about yourself being one ?On sites where people don t know you boasts and claims are meaningless ,especially when those who claim such things talk a little amatuerish.Anyhow i think anyone who feels im talking about them should be able to defend themselves,rather than an "anthill mob" of defenders ganging up to take a shot.As i said i think this is a good site very informative indeed but the intelligence of someone who calls themselves a countryside professional and can t see the problems of overpopulation in any species with no natural predators has to be questioned.Disease,disease ,disease,its just common sense.
Look forward to the mountain of attacks

Eh?
You've lost me.
I haven't called myself an countryside professional?
I was trying to back you (to a point) bunnylover, regarding "Farthing Wood".
No point I see now.
Doug

Post script-
Aha. I see you didn't mean me. It was just the way your last post read.
Ho hum.

Post post script.
No, hang on.
I will say that I also agree with you an "anthill mob" of sorts , or at least, thats the way it could look.
I am not aware of WAB being personal though.
Quickly (as I'm off to work again) - you'll note I said also a world that doesn't care (as well as a site).
One just has to take a walk pretty well anywhere in surburbia to see many, many people that seemingly don't give a hoot about owt, apart from themselves.

[denis broadbent]

Originally Posted by Kerry

The UK government's chief scientist has advised ministers that badgers should be killed to prevent the spread of TB among cattle.

Sir David King says culling could be effective in areas that are contained, for example, by the sea or motorways.

His report follows a previous study that said culling badgers would be ineffective.


BBC NEWS | Science/Nature | Science chief urges badger cull

I tend to agree, I wanted one for a pet because I was not allowed a dog

[bunnylover]

Originally Posted by denis broadbent

I tend to agree, I wanted one for a pet because I was not allowed a dog

They re so overprotected now you would nt even be allowed a part of one for a pet now,anyhow many years ago my friends da had one for a pet until it took a dislike to his sister and gave her 23 stitches in her thigh,if that had been a dog some folks would be looking the breed banned,exterminated,or at best muzzled and nuetered

[stripee]

Originally Posted by bunnylover

They re so overprotected now you would nt even be allowed a part of one for a pet now,anyhow many years ago my friends da had one for a pet until it took a dislike to his sister and gave her 23 stitches in her thigh,if that had been a dog some folks would be looking the breed banned,exterminated,or at best muzzled and nuetered

If anyone keeps a badger as a pet (illegal) then they must be unbelievably stupid and cruel. A badger is a wild animal and will behave as such, and they are strong, no doubt they deserved what they got. How did they get the badger in the first place? A spot of badger digging/baiting??What you write is designed to be inflammatory, and you are only looking to prove that many species need controlling with your little terriers or lurcher dogs. The Hunting Life forum calls all the species such as badgers, foxes, hares etc "vermin", anyone not of your views ie anti coursing/hunting "scum", one post suggests "shooting the scum", another post suggests "going somewhere quiet off the road for a "fox/badger" dig.