Beavers in Britain

[C C]

Anyone knows what is happening with the reintroduction of the Beaver in Scotland.
I thought it was already underway until i read this.Wildlife Extra - Beavers in the wild in Scotland

[Hornbeam]

I thought so too. Some beavers were reintorduced to Kent in 2001, but they failed to breed. A second re-introduction of Norwegian beavers followed. The Kent trial was in a contained area so was it really an introduction into the wild?

[C C]

I also thought they were introduced somewhere in the Coltswolds. Perhaps like you said, they are contained, and are not truly out there on their own.

[m1keanderson]

The People's Trust for Endangered Species is currently looking for a Beaver Projects Officer (closing date 1st June, £20-25k p.a. pro rata see Environmental Jobs and Volunteering in the UK ).

PTES is now part of a working group looking into the feasibility of reintroducing beavers to England and you could be part of it - wouldn't that be something to tell the grandchildren.

Next stop: wolves

[Adam Cheeseman]

Originally Posted by C C

Anyone knows what is happening with the reintroduction of the Beaver in Scotland.
I thought it was already underway until i read this.Wildlife Extra - Beavers in the wild in Scotland

I can't quote the details, but I believe the concept was generally well accepted but was stymied by a well-connected group of concerned landowners, who didn't want it to go ahead despite information being available that would have allayed their concerns.

Cheers,

Adam

[C C]

I would love to see Beavers back in Britian, working with them would be even Greater.
But, theres got to be problems way down the line. What will happen when they start growning in numbers, and expanding from those areas that have been set aside for them. It would be a crying shame to reintroduce a species, only to have to keep culling its numbers. Which would seem likely, for beavers would not have any predators over here, except for us that is.

[svenrufus]

Originally Posted by Hornbeam

I thought so too. Some beavers were reintorduced to Kent in 2001, but they failed to breed. A second re-introduction of Norwegian beavers followed. The Kent trial was in a contained area so was it really an introduction into the wild?

I visited the Kent site as part of the discussions before the release and have often wondered how they were getting on. Shame that they didn't breed - do you mean that they died out, or just that they have not bred to date? What has become of the 2nd wave do you know?

[m1keanderson]

This reminds me of the "Beaver Dam" email that went round. If you missed it I've copied it below. If you know it skip the rest of this message.


Mr. Ryan DeVries
2088 Dagget
Pierson, MI 49339
SUBJECT: DEQ File No. 97-59-0023; T11N; R10W, Sec. 20;

Site Location: Montcalm County

Dear Mr. DeVries:

It has come to the attention of the Department of Environmental Quality
that there has been recent unauthorized activity on the above referenced
parcel of property. You have been certified as the legal landowner
and/or contractor who did the following unauthorized activity:

Construction and maintenance of two wood debris dams across the outlet
stream of Spring Pond.

A permit must be issued prior to the start of this type of activity. A
review of the Department's files shows that no permits have been issued.

Therefore, the Department has determined that this activity is in
violation of Part 301, Inland Lakes and Streams, of the Natural Resource
and Environmental Protection Act, Act 451 of the Public Acts of 1994,
being sections 324.30101 to 324.30113 of the Michigan Compiled Laws
annotated.

The Department has been informed that one or both of the dams partially
failed during a recent rain event, causing debris and flooding at
downstream locations. We find that dams of this nature are inherently
hazardous and cannot be permitted.

The Department therefore orders you to cease and desist all activities
at this location, and to restore the stream to a free-flow condition by
removing all wood and brush forming the dams from the stream channel.
All restoration work shall be completed no later than January 31, 2002.

Please notify this office when the restoration has been completed so
that a follow-up site inspection may be scheduled by our staff. Failure
to comply with this request or any further unauthorized activity on the
site may result in this case being referred for elevated enforcement
action.

We anticipate and would appreciate your full cooperation in this matter.
Please feel free to contact me at this office if you have any questions.

Sincerely,
David L. Price
District Representative
Land and Water Management Division
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

RESPONSE:

Dear Mr. Price,

Re: DEQ File No. 97-59-0023; T11N; R10W, Sec. 20;
Montcalm County

Reference your certified letter dated 12/17/2000 has been referred to me
to respond to. First of all, Mr. Ryan De Vries is not the legal
landowner and/or contractor at 2088 Dagget, Pierson, Michigan.

I am the legal owner and a couple of beavers are in the (State
unauthorized) process of constructing and maintaining two wood "debris"
dams across the outlet stream of my Spring Pond.

While I did not pay for, authorize, nor supervise their dam project, I
think they would be highly offended that you call their skillful use of
natural building materials "debris." I would like to challenge your
department to attempt to emulate their dam project any time and/or any
place you choose. I believe I can safely state there is no way you could
ever match their dam skills, their dam resourcefulness, their dam
ingenuity, their dam persistence, their dam determination and/or their
dam work ethic.

As to your request, I do not think the beavers are aware that they must
first fill out a dam permit prior to the start of this type of dam
activity. My first dam question to you is:
(1) Are you trying to discriminate against my Spring Pond Beavers? or,
(2) do you require all beavers throughout this State to conform to said
dam request?

If you are not discriminating against these particular beavers, through
the Freedom of Information Act I request completed copies of all those
other applicable beaver dam permits that have been issued. Perhaps we
will see if there really is a dam violation of P! art 301, Inland Lakes
and Streams, of the Natural Resource and Environmental Protection Act,
Act 451 of the Public Acts of 1994, being sections 324.3010,1 to
324.30113 of the Michigan Compiled Laws, annotated. I have several
concerns. My first concern is aren't the beavers entitled to legal
representation?

The Spring Pond Beavers are financially destitute and are unable to pay
for said representation - so the State will have to provide them with a
lawyer.

The Department's dam concern that either one or both of the dams failed
during a recent rain event causing flooding is proof that this is a
natural occurrence, which the Department is required to protect. In
other words, we should leave the Spring Pond Beavers alone rather than
harrass them and call their dam names. If you want the stream "restored"
to a dam free-flow condition - please contact the beavers - but if you
are going to arrest them they obviously did not pay any attention to
your dam letter (being unable to read English).

In my humble ! opinion, the Spring Pond Beavers have a right to build
their unauthorized dams as long as the sky is blue, the grass is green
and water flows downstream. They have more dam right than I do to live
and enjoy Spring Pond. If the Department of Natural Resources and
Environmental Protection lives up to its name, it should protect the
natural resources
(Beavers) and the environment (Beavers' Dams).

So, as far as the beavers and I are concerned, this dam case can be
referred for more elevated enforcement action right now. Why wait until
1/31/2002 The Spring Pond Beavers may be under the dam ice then, and
there will be no way for you or your dam staff to contact/harass them
then.

In conclusion, I would like to bring to your attention a real
environmental quality (health) problem in the area. It is the bears.
Bears are actually defecating in our woods. I definitely believe you
should be persecuting the defecating bears and leave the beavers alone.

If you are going to investigate the beaver dam, watch your step! (The
bears are not careful where they dump!)

Being unable to comply with your dam request, and being unable to
contact you on your answering machine, I am sending this response to
your office via another government organization - the USPS. Maybe,
someday, it will get there.

Sincerely,
Stephen L. Tvedten




Anyway, back to the thread....

[Ukwildlifeo]

lol marvellous

[C C]

Thats classic!!