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Old 08-05-2009, 11:27 PM
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Lichen for ID

Found a few days ago on acidic-heathy unimproved grassland near Sheffield (zone where intermediate heath begins to merge with moorland). On a sunny, well drained bank. It caught my attention - I know next to nothing about lichens and didn't get very far with my lichen key on it. It looks as if it ought to be straightforward ....



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Old 09-05-2009, 02:56 PM
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Re: Lichen for ID

Two species of Cladonia : but I can't do more than that. The paler one with trumpet-shaped podetia covered with small brown apothecia on the left has quite obvious basal squamules (visible in top centre of enlarged picture). The darker one on the right has much more tubular podetia.

A photograph from the side would help in both cases as the appearance of the podetia is useful: are they soreidiate, squamulate, dichotomously or trichotomously branching etc.

For more on these terms there is now a rich vein of threads discussing the delights, or otherwise, of identifying Cladonia.

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Old 12-05-2009, 09:38 AM
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Re: Lichen for ID

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Found a few days ago on acidic-heathy unimproved grassland near Sheffield (zone where intermediate heath begins to merge with moorland). On a sunny, well drained bank. It caught my attention - I know next to nothing about lichens and didn't get very far with my lichen key on it. It looks as if it ought to be straightforward ....


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Melanie

Hello Melanie

One thing lichenologists learn is that when you have a Cladonia, they are NOT straightforward ....
A large genus, with species often very polymorphic and resembling one another. The bit of good news is that they are not all going to change names when the new lichen flora is published (this week!), though some of the notes in the first edition are expanded. [I have been reading a proof copy with much interest!]

Anyhow, as Poschiavanus has pointed out, you have two Cladonia species (and possibly a tiny fragment of a third unless it is a moribund state of your main species).

Your main species is Cladonia diversa. Pale, yellowish green, with the cup ringed with small, red dots (pycnidia). The enlarged photograph confirms these are red, which is critical. We can just about make out the characteristic, small but well defined, corticate granules within the cup, also an important character for confirming this species.

With it is the grey spiky one. Unfortunately, several Cladonia species can be grey and produce (more or less) unbranched spikes (podetia) and they are very commonly misidentified. In this case, we can see that the podetia are powdery to the base and the podetia have an offset, wedge-like appearance at the tip, with the pycnidia (brown dots this time) on a tiny slope rather than all at the same height. I would like to have seen the characteristic split up the side of each podetium, but I am fairly sure this is Cladonia glauca. It will grow with C. diversa and in the links I am going to put below, the uppermost C. diversa photograph, on the wonderful dunes at Findhorn, does have C. glauca at the right-hand side, though mostly cropped out of the picture.

Cladonia diversa (images of British lichens)
Cladonia glauca (images of British lichens)

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Old 20-05-2009, 07:18 PM
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Re: Lichen for ID

Thanks Alan and Posch

I think I'll have to keep a close eye on these lichen pages to begin to get my eye in before I start to look at lichen more carefully. I have a 'patch' that I visit all the time and am gradually building up more and more info on what is on there, birds, mammals, plants, fungi etc, and as there is plenty of lichen, that is something that I'd like to get better acquainted with, in due course ...

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