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Old 23-03-2009, 07:41 AM
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Scilly Lichens for ID

I got a bit carried away with photographing the abundant and beautiful lichens while in Scilly and have ended up with about 70 photos to sort. I have given names to the selection here and would be grateful for any thoughts. I am highly unconvinced by most of the IDs I have come up with.

Peltigera hymenina? - in short grass on edge of cliff


Ochrolechia parella? - on coastal rocks


Cladonia pyxidata? - in barish area on cliff-top


Cladonia chlorophaea? - in short cliff-top turf


Caloplaca marina? - on stone walls close to the sea


Roccella phycopsis? - on coastal rock


Roccella fuciformis? - on coastal rock


Cladonia portentosa? - on lichen heath


and one I am sure of
Golden Hair-lichen (Teloschistes flavicans)


Any help appreciated - more batches of pics coming this way soon
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Old 23-03-2009, 09:58 PM
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Re: Scilly Lichens for ID

Hello Aaron, that must have been great trip to the Isles of Scilly but I don't think I'm going to be able to be much help with the lichen....

Cladonia pyxidata - Alan Silverside has some good information here re C. pyxidata and C. pocillum:
Cladonia pocillum (images of British lichens)

Caloplaca marina - doesn't look right
Caloplaca marina (images of British lichens)
and possibly it might be Caloplaca littorea instead
http://www.britishlichens.co.uk/species/Caloplaca%20littorea%20large.jpg

Both your Roccella's look good, though that is only from photo comparisons and details in Dobson's 'Lichens'

Not much help I'm afraid, you need AlanS for these!
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Hello Aaron, that must have been great trip to the Isles of Scilly but I don't think I'm going to be able to be much help with the lichen....

Cladonia pyxidata - Alan Silverside has some good information here re C. pyxidata and C. pocillum:
Cladonia pocillum (images of British lichens)

Caloplaca marina - doesn't look right
Caloplaca marina (images of British lichens)
and possibly it might be Caloplaca littorea instead
http://www.britishlichens.co.uk/spec...ea%20large.jpg

Both your Roccella's look good, though that is only from photo comparisons and details in Dobson's 'Lichens'

Not much help I'm afraid, you need AlanS for these!
Thanks Jenny, any help at all is appreciated. The Caloplaca littorea does look a rather better match than C. marina.

I think I have looked at every photo in Dobson over the past few days
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Me too, again and again and again over the last few months.....and I'm still stumped most of the time!
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Re: Scilly Lichens for ID

Hi Tiggrx

Yes, confirmation that the Isles of Scilly are a good place to go for these things. I am hoping I might get there myself next year.

So, for what they are worth, my verdicts:

1. Yes, I agree, Peltigera hymenina is most likely, but without being able to see the characters of the underside (veins, rhizines) this has to be balance of probability rather than a firm ID. The surface is rather dark, but I don't have a better guess.

2. Yes, Ochrolechia parella. Presumably photographed in shade, hence the blue colour cast.

3. Jenny has already posted the link to my current thoughts on the Cladonia pyxidata/pocillum group, so I will be brief(ish)! A lot of what is called "Cladonia pyxidata" is, according to recent Dutch work, really C. pocillum. However, your photograph shows small, non-imbricated basal squamules and it seems to match my own recent photographs of what I think is true C. pyxidata (will not go up on my site until I have done more checking), and, more importantly, your photograph also matches the lower photograph in 'Wirth' vol. 1 pg. 307, which the Dutch approve as true C. pyxidata. [For anyone who has the book, the upper photograph so named on the same page is actually C. chlorophaea.]
So yes, I think you have true C. pyxidata.

4. Assuming the basal squamules we see go with the podetia, then this is not C. chlorophaea, though Cladonia species often grow intermixed (and, frighteningly, at least one species is known to be able to grow into the thalli of other Cladonia spp. to produce a single, mixed thallus!).
Anyhow, as far as I can tell from the photograph, I suggest this is C. humilis, which is frequent on sea-cliffs.

5. I don't think this is a lichen. Almost certainly it is the green (!) alga, Trentepohlia, with the bright colour and cushion-like growth suggesting T. aurea.

6. & 7. Yes, undoubtedly the two Roccella species.

8. Yes, C. portentosa. (There is a closely related, extremely rare and critically endangered species on the serpentine in W. Cornwall but, sadly, your photograph shows the trichotomously branched tips of the common species.)

9. No doubt about this one either. Until such unlikely time as someone find the very northern Letharia vulpina somewhere in the Scottish Highlands, T. flavicans is unmistakable in the British lichen flora.


A nice set, Tiggrx.
A booklet more people ought to know about is 'Lundy Lichens' by Anne Allen. Only 48 pages, but full of photographs and a good introduction to coastal lichens of the South West. Details on how to obtain it are on the British Lichen Society's website: The British Lichen Society

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Re: Scilly Lichens for ID

Thanks Alan, I really appreciate the input.

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2. Yes, Ochrolechia parella. Presumably photographed in shade, hence the blue colour cast.
It was growing in full sun, but I think it was probably in my shadow

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5. I don't think this is a lichen. Almost certainly it is the green (!) alga, Trentepohlia, with the bright colour and cushion-like growth suggesting T. aurea.
I'm getting used to seeing Trentepohlia on tree trunks but had now idea it grew on rocks too.

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8. Yes, C. portentosa. (There is a closely related, extremely rare and critically endangered species on the serpentine in W. Cornwall but, sadly, your photograph shows the trichotomously branched tips of the common species.)
Just out of interest which species is the rare one - I took several other pictures of what I think are C. portentosa but would be interesting to check them.

Shall be posting a few more later on...
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