More insects for ID please

[SteveF48]

I think that this fly is Anthomyia pluvialis, please can anyone confirm this?

I have absolutely no idea what this next insect is:

Please can anyone tell me?
Thanks in advance.

[steve_nova]

Have to say that the first image (Dipteran) conforms very much with what I have checked up on the net. BioLib - Image - Anthomyia pluvialis

The second one though................

[djackso]

Steve - do you know what plant it was on - it may help with ID?

[Laurence Clemons]

The fly may be Anthomyia procellaris not pluvialis. There are several silver and black Anthomyia species and the commonest in Kent is procellaris. Apart from the male genitalia the shape of the lateral black spot on the thorax is used as an aid to identification. Was the second insect dead when photographed? It doesn't appear to have any antennae. It looks like a small mirid bug allied to Plagiognathus.

[SteveF48]

The bug was on a stinging nettle you could be right about it being dead, I didn't prod it to see whether it moved.
The fly was on some sort of thistle. I'll see whether I can identify it.