plant bug and fly for id please

marvin · #1 (**permalink**) 03-09-2011, 02:57 PM

thank you

tim

JRsbugs · #2 (**permalink**) 03-09-2011, 05:19 PM

Have you any shots of the backs? You will struggle to get an ID without.

marvin · #3 (**permalink**) 03-09-2011, 07:21 PM

hi

sorry...that's all i've got i'm afraid.

tim

marvin · #4 (**permalink**) 03-09-2011, 08:06 PM

there is this one but not sure if it will help...i was going for the eyes!

cheers

tim

Jason Green · #5 (**permalink**) 03-09-2011, 11:23 PM

For the bug, try a female Liocoris tripustulatus. Fly's a Tephritid.

marvin · #6 (**permalink**) 03-09-2011, 11:33 PM

thanks again

!

tim

Acutipuerilis · #7 (**permalink**) 04-09-2011, 02:35 AM

Agree that a pale Liocoris looks right from the leg markings, but I wouldn't want to rule out Lygus sp. from this angle. If it was on nettle, though, it's almost certainly Liocoris.

poschiavanus · #8 (**permalink**) 04-09-2011, 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jason Green

For the bug, try a female Liocoris tripustulatus. Fly's a Tephritid.

The fly is indeed a tephritid and both photos have lots of detail of the chaetotaxy so it ought to be possible to get some way to a precise ID. The various bristles on the top of the head and along the edge of the eye are nice and clear. 3 pairs frontal setae, pair of ocellar setae, can't make my mind up if there are 1 or 2 pairs of post orbital bristles (if the posterior pair exist they are light coloured).

Unfortunately there's not a huge amount of information about the wing pattern. Although it looks to me that the apex of the wing is not coloured, and that there are two large hyaline areas in cell R1.

An idea of the plant it is sitting on might make life a bit easier.

JRsbugs · #9 (**permalink**) 04-09-2011, 03:20 PM

Acanthiophilus helianthi looks close..

poschiavanus · #10 (**permalink**) 04-09-2011, 03:43 PM

I could imagine its sitting on a Sunflower from the look of the first photo. White notopleural bristle too.

Unfortunately I've been looking at Merz which a) shows the wing pattern as extremely faint and b) says "in ... England sehr selten". However, 2008 maps from Laurence Clemons show quite a few records as far N as the Humber, with a good cluster post-2000 in Hampshire. So I think this seems a decent fit.