A cricket and a Grasshopper for id please

[Tog]

Would someone be kind enough to id these two please.

Also any advice on a book for identifying crickets and grasshoppers as i am finding myself wanting to photograph them and rather than making others id them for me i could give it a shot myself.

Thank you

[Geoff F]

After consulting the book for a double check (Grasshoppers & Crickets of Britain and Ireland by Evans & Edmondson) I'm still not sure from those camera angles.

I would suspect that the cricket is a Long-winged Conehead (Conocephalus discolor) but I recently found a long winged version of the Short-winged Conehopper, which does occasionally happen. Easier to tell the females apart than these males.

And I don't really want to give any firm suggestions to the grasshopper. All I will say is that it looks a bit hairy underneath so my first consideration would be Field Grasshopper (Chorthippus brunneus)

But that is a passing thought and not a firm identification.

[Tog]

I may have an over head shot of the cricket if that would help. I will see if i did get one and post it up.
Thank you for your comments and the mention of the book.

[Tog]

The image of the grasshopper is the only angle i got but i did get a couple more of the cricket.

[Geoff F]

Definitely separating these male crickets needs a very close shot of the genitalia (cerci) and then a knowledgeable person.

Long-winged Conehead is the most likely, but I'm not sufficiently experienced to say absolutely certainly.

[Tog]

Ah yeah i definitely didnt get a shot of that

Thank you very much for your comments and input Geoff, i appreciate it