bumblebee id's 2 please

[sjbuckle]

Hello

I have two more bee's ready for i'd, sorry the pictures are a little blurry. BUt the bee's were quick.. Is the smaller one a common carder bee, or a brown banded carder bee. It does have a obvious band across the bottom???

The bigger bee has a white face?? unless thats some type of white pollen? help

And one more but without a picture I'm afraid... It was a bumblee bee with a yellow face and 2 pale yellow bands and a white tail. would that be a white tailed bumblebee??

I live in south england, and all bee's were in my garden!

Thank you

[aeshna5]

First two are Bombus pascuorum.

[sjbuckle]

Yeah I jut looked on the natural history website and I see there is a southern form that has the obvious brown band... ... thought I had a rare bee..

Thanks for confirmation

[Matt Smith]

First one is Bombus pasucorum, this is a very variable species in terms of the amount of orange and black on the abdomen.

Second one is Bombus lucorum.