are these two tiny ladybirds?

[Lemars]

Could anyone please help identify these ladybirds - at least I think that's what they both are. The darker (poor image) one was almost too small to be sure of the shape.

I thought the pale one could have been an immature ladybird - but what would it grow into ? I think it was about 2 - 3mm (it's on my arm if that's any indication by skin-pore size)

And I'd love to know what the tiny one might be. That horseshoe shape on its back is the most distinctive part of it. This one was so small I almost didn't see it. Probably only 1 - 2 mm.

[Paul mabbott]

Yes. The first is an imago that has recently emerged from its pupa. Given the pronotal pattern and dark legs, it's probably Adalia bipunctata, 2-spot ladybird.
The second is most likely Clitosthetus arcuatus - I don't think there are similar species in France. While the horseshoe is quite distinctive, it is very variable, not present on all individuals - you picked a good one!

Originally Posted by Lemars

Could anyone please help identify these ladybirds - at least I think that's what they both are. The darker (poor image) one was almost too small to be sure of the shape.

I thought the pale one could have been an immature ladybird - but what would it grow into ? I think it was about 2 - 3mm (it's on my arm if that's any indication by skin-pore size)

And I'd love to know what the tiny one might be. That horseshoe shape on its back is the most distinctive part of it. This one was so small I almost didn't see it. Probably only 1 - 2 mm.

[Lemars]

Morning Paul, I had a feeling it might be you who would give the answer..............

I wish I'd hung on to one of those pale ones for a couple of days now - I've not seen a two-spot.

Thank you for your expertise (again) and I'm off to look up (but never remember) those suggestions now.

I'm really disappointed I didn't get a better picture of the horseshoe one. I didn't realise until it was too late for another try. Pah !!

Thanks again

C