Sawfly? for ID

PeterD · #1 (**permalink**) 13-09-2010, 09:58 PM

I believe this is a Sawfly (it does not seem to have a narrowed waist). Could someone please help with the ID? I have posted 3 images, at different angles, to help.

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Thank you

Gatekeeper · #2 (**permalink**) 13-09-2010, 10:17 PM

It's not a sawfly, it's an Ichneumon type wasp.

Jason Green · #3 (**permalink**) 13-09-2010, 10:29 PM

Evening Peter,

I agree with GC - not a Sawfly, too many narrow antennal segments. Ichneumonidae, I'd say.

Take care,

Jason

PeterD · #4 (**permalink**) 13-09-2010, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Gatekeeper

It's not a sawfly, it's an Ichneumon type wasp.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jason Green

Evening Peter,

I agree with GC - not a Sawfly, too many narrow antennal segments. Ichneumonidae, I'd say.

Take care,

Jason

Thanks Gatekeeper and Jason

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Anyone know where I can get a breakdown of the Ichneumon species?

Jason Green · #5 (**permalink**) 13-09-2010, 11:00 PM

Like a checklist, or identification literature?

PeterD · #6 (**permalink**) 13-09-2010, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason Green

Like a checklist, or identification literature?

Good evening Jason,
Yes, either or both of these. Even a site specialising in Ichneumon wasps.

Jason Green · #7 (**permalink**) 13-09-2010, 11:45 PM

OK...

Checklist: Checklist of UK recorded Ichneumonidae - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Key to sub-families: http://www.brc.ac.uk/downloads/Ichne...family_key.pdf

The key will only do sub-family, when you have it pinned-down you'll need to try and source European literature and continue keying for a Genus or even species-level ID.

In my opinion without a collection then the checklist and key probably won't mean too much - too many subtle features for photographs, I'm afraid.

I've dabbled, and postponed Ichneumonidae personally...