ID please

[ladyhawk]

got these today though not sure of ID's help

[jezlee]

The hoverfly on the pink flowers could be Epistrophe grossulariae; there is another hoverfly (the dark one) which I wouldn't like to hazard a guess at and the third I haven't a clue, except perhaps some sort of ichneumon wasp (looking at the ovipositor) ... so I wasn't much help, really ...

[Geoff F]

The first hoverfly is certainly one of the Syrphini family but these can be tricky to separate.

In some ways it resembles Eupeodes latifasciatus but some Syrphus specimens can be similar, particularly males. So without a clear view of the abdomen edge, I wouldn't like to be more specific.

The dark one could be one of several families which are difficult to identify even with perfect photos.

The Ichneumon Wasp appears to be similar to the Netelia or Ophion families but once again, there are several almost identical species.

[ladyhawk]

thanks everyone will go and have a google