Sawfly for ID

[PeterD]

Image taken yesterday. This looks very similar to Allantus cinctus except for lack of two yellow bands on abdomen. The wing veins and leg colours just about match though.


Thanks

[Geoff F]

I tried running that specimen through the Aidgap Sawfly guide and came up with Tenthredinidae family (no surprise there) but I soon found that there just isn't sufficient details in the wings to continue much further.

Going for a pictorial journey. I thought Blennocampinae family looks possible Tenthredinidae - Allantinae, Blennocampinae and, of course, Allanthus with 9 species (mostly from woodland locations) falls into that category.

So I suspect that you are on the correct road; but I don't have enough experience with sawflies to give any firm advice.

[oxycera]

Maybe a male cinctus, I have 2 specimens with black abdomen.

[PeterD]

Originally Posted by Geoff F

I tried running that specimen through the Aidgap Sawfly guide and came up with Tenthredinidae family (no surprise there) but I soon found that there just isn't sufficient details in the wings to continue much further.

Going for a pictorial journey. I thought Blennocampinae family looks possible Tenthredinidae - Allantinae, Blennocampinae and, of course, Allanthus with 9 species (mostly from woodland locations) falls into that category.

So I suspect that you are on the correct road; but I don't have enough experience with sawflies to give any firm advice.

Thank you Geoff. Bird ID is so straight-forward and to think I thought it difficult at the start. I am struggling with insects and invertibrates with such diverse families and with clever mimickry to add to the melting pot.

[PeterD]

Originally Posted by oxycera

Maybe a male cinctus, I have 2 specimens with black abdomen.

Thanks for that John - missed your post before so sorry for not replying earlier.