Small black hover ID

[Lord V]

Another view of the small black hoverfly about 9mm body length originally shown in this thread Hoverfly ID

Any better for ID purposes ?

Thanks
brian V

[Laurence Clemons]

Looks like a pipizine - ?Pipiza sp.

[Lord V]

Thanks Laurence
Brian v.

[Geoff F]

But the more I look at the ID keys and illustrations the more confused I become. And I was half confused before I started!

Trying to make some sense of the wing veins. The outer cross veins do look very distinctive but I can't really come up with anything positive.

I can get it to key out as Heringia and with the pale hair, Heringia senilis almost fits.

Although, to some extent, those pale 'knees' could be Pipizella virens.

I think we all are probably on the right track here but it will prove impossible to seperate these closely related species.

[Lord V]

Thanks Geoff for the help
Brian V.