Bonjour mes amis

[Lancashire Lad]

Originally Posted by acherontia

...nowhere on that 'agreement' does it say that WAB will use images for profit yet obviously they do!...

For clarity, your words not mine. - I said "if they can make a few bob to help with the site's running costs" - I didn't say they could make a profit.

Why is there a serious flaw in what WAB is trying to do? - As I see it the WAB statement is clear and forthright enough. If people don't accept it, they don't upload photo's - simple as that.

If they do accept it, then I would consider it somewhat scurrilous to attempt to sue WAB, should they later find that WAB had used one of their images.

I take a pragmatic approach to such things. I don't consider that all my images are so fantastic that they are immediately going to be sold on for vast fortunes the moment I upload them to WAB.

The choice lies with the individual. The terms & conditions are there to be seen, and no-one is forced to upload anything against their will.

Anyway, regardless of whether you finally decide to upload pics. or not, (go on - you know that you want to, surely a couple won't hurt ), you've found the best set of British wildlife forums on the web. So stick around and enjoy what WAB has to offer.

Regards
Mike.

[Hedge Witch]

Hi acherontia, sorry but I seem to have stumbled in on a heated debate, and I only wanted to wish you a warm welcome to WAB

Perhaps it is best if you don't upload images, at least until you have cleared the legal aspects with an Administrator? That would be the safest bet, and certainly what I would do. A "Hello" thread might not be read by anyone "in authority", so you might need to rethink your interrogation procedure. Vous comprenez?

All the best

Hedge Witch

[Lancashire Lad]

Originally Posted by Hedge Witch

....sorry but I seem to have stumbled in on a heated debate...

Not a heated debate at all HW, just a bit of healthy banter between two down to earth Lancastrian's. Generally known to speak as they find, and not too concerned about putting their feet in their mouths. (At least I hope that acherontia sees it that way).

Best regards to all, and may everyone's lives be forever filled with milk and honey
Mike.

[acherontia]

Originally Posted by Lancashire Lad

Not a heated debate at all HW, just a bit of healthy banter between two down to earth Lancastrian's. Generally known to speak as they find, and not too concerned about putting their feet in their mouths. (At least I hope that acherontia sees it that way).
mike.

I'm not hot under the collar either Mike!! owt I've said is hypothetical and not at all personal. I may put stuff on regardless and not all my images are worthy of sale - good heavens I wish they were!! LOL

Say, for example, someone put on what they may consider one of their better shots and some months/years down the line they have some commercial success and discover that WAB has jumped on the bandwagon and is making money out of some of their images (it has actually happened in a similar situation) they may be likely to ask for some pennies back via the courts.Which I'm sure would impact on everyone here. If I put anything on it will be in the knowledge of my rights - whereas someone else might just tick a box without reading orunderstanding the implications.
There's a software programme that can scour the web for someone else using your images too! Pros use it a lot.
It may not happen but sites like this should be a little more careful about being 'controlling' about the images. Most sites allow you to upload from your computer (ie Birdforum) or upload from your own image host.
It is not good policy to demand that the individual hand over to a Gallery controlled by the forum and also ask them to hand over rights for use!
Has anyone answered the other chap - is it possible to withdraw images after putting them on the Gallery?

and Hi Hedge Witch!! Hope you don't live in hawthorn - it's very prickly! A nice laurel hedge may be pleasant though We have privet that is ram jam full of allsorts at the moment! We even have blackbirds nests in the cotoneaster and ivy too!

Right - off to the cinema to watch Star Trek!

See yous all later la's (oh dear must be the scouse influence...)

Acherontia

[ron1863]

Hi and a warm welcome to WAB

[Lancashire Lad]

Thanks for taking the trouble to clarify your positon acherontia, I'm glad that we're not too far apart in our thinking.

Looking forward to seeing these world beating pics. of yours

Don't take everything I say to heart - as you said in your opening post: -
"Only pulling your leg there - I tend to do that".

Hope you enjoy Star Trek (I don't know - some people will pay good money to watch any old rubbish). - (Probably opened another bag of worms with that one).


EDIT - In answer to your other question. (I'm pretty sure that I'm right with this) There is no way to have your images removed from WAB once they've been uploaded. So the onus does remain on the person to ensure that they really do wish to upload in the first place.

Regards
Mike.

[Cazzie]

Short and sweet - you've read the rules and they apply to everyone so if ya don't like em.... don't load up piccies!

However I would like to extend a warm welcome to WAB from across the boarder lol!

[Tursiops2]

Originally Posted by acherontia

This is even more worrying - nowhere on that 'agreement' does it say that WAB will use images for profit yet obviously they do!

As a point of law - if anyone found out that WAB was touting their image for profit WAB could be sued. It's not good enough that someone ticks a box to agree to the terms of the site. It has been proven in a court of law that this does not fulfil all that is required as far as use of another persons images is concerned.
I'm not telling you this to be awkward or contentious - I'm pointing out that there is a serious flaw in what WAB is trying to do here. Perhaps the organisers should examine the system in place?

Acherontia

This issue comes up from time to time. I think it arises because WAB is more than just a forum. As I understand it, the aim of WAB is to be a non-commercial, online resource for anybody interested in British wildlife. In this, it is very different to other web forums (all the ones I visit, at least), but this distinction may not be immediately apparent if you've just stumbled on WAB by chance, hence the occasional misapprehension.

WAB is a Registered Charity and, as such, a non-profitmaking organisation; thus the question of "touting for profit" doesn't (or shouldn't) arise. By posting to WAB, whether text or photo, you are effectively donating both to a charity, and to a community resource. What you choose to contribute is entirely up to you; I'm sure nobody would expect a professional photographer to donate their livelihood.

T2

[mickmassie]

If I can't delete or at least re-label my photos, I am going to very careful about uploading anything in future. M.

[Hedge Witch]

Re-labelling images in the Image library is not a problem:
http://www.wildaboutbritain.co.uk/fo...-edit-pic.html

Deleting images is not something that you can do yourself. More information here:
Deleting images