Hunting - Why?

[dickybird]

in answer to the original question--greed,money,cowardice and bloodlust. that is my opinion from reading extensively about it from numerous sources.i am not here for an argument-and i am not here to read about how those who kill-for whatever reason-do it. there is a separate category for this.
perhaps these individuals get a kick out of boasting about the methods they use to kill....

however--im behind anyone wanting to rid a live animal of maggots as they will eat into its flesh and the animal will suffer a prolonged agonising death if not treated appropriately.

dickybird

[Les E]

HI There,
People who kill for 'sport' in my veiw are sad individuals who never grow out of their childhood cruel streak,and have you noticed how the people who are out to destroy wildlife and the environment in general think they own it.There are far more in wildlife groups than in shooting syndicates though you wouldent think so by the amount of a free run they get in the countryside.Never apologise for badmouthing the shooters and Fox stranglers we out number them.
Regards Les.

[Susie]

Originally Posted by TheSeagull

I know that deer numbers need to be kept down but why don't we just reintroduce species that we have hunted to extirpation like the Grey Wolf or European Lynx?

It baffles me that anyone could think that a kill by a grey wolf or european lynx would be any cleaner or less painful for the deer than being shot.

Humans are not benign beings, we are top of the food chain.

[TheSeagull]

Originally Posted by Susie

It baffles me that anyone could think that a kill by a grey wolf or european lynx would be any cleaner or less painful for the deer than being shot.

Humans are not benign beings, we are top of the food chain.

The pain that the deer deal with doesn't bother me. Merely the fact that humans in all there powers of domestication continue to unnecessarily hunt wild animals for consumption, some even for sport.

[eeyore]

Originally Posted by dickybird

however--im behind anyone wanting to rid a live animal of maggots as they will eat into its flesh and the animal will suffer a prolonged agonising death if not treated appropriately.

dickybird

i think you have missed the original point re the maggots, it was a catch 22 - they themselves are living beings - so do they not too have the "right to life" ?

and if the answer is no because they will kill the rabbit, sheep, whatever - how does that differ from killing a fox to prevent it from killing ground nesting birds or lambs or whatever. Philosophically it doesnt - except that foxes are cute and fluffy and maggots arent.

[eeyore]

Originally Posted by TheSeagull

Merely the fact that humans in all there powers of domestication continue to unnecessarily hunt wild animals for consumption, some even for sport.

see - i really dont understand this view point - a domesticated deer is just as dead after slaughter as a wild deer is after its shot so why does one have the "right to live" and the other doesnt ? - I'm not after an argument i just genuinely dont understand the logic of your position.

[Jenny W]

In my opinion shooting a wild deer for venison that has lived a free, natural life is far more ethically and environmentally sound than intensive livestock production (haven't read the whole thread so sorry if I've misinterpreted the point here!)

[eeyore]

Originally Posted by Les E

HI There,
People who kill for 'sport' in my veiw are sad individuals who never grow out of their childhood cruel streak,and have you noticed how the people who are out to destroy wildlife and the environment in general think they own it.There are far more in wildlife groups than in shooting syndicates though you wouldent think so by the amount of a free run they get in the countryside.Never apologise for badmouthing the shooters and Fox stranglers we out number them.
Regards Les.

thing is les , all the times ive been involved in fox control (and indeed deer and squirel control) i was working for or contracted to wildlife trusts, national trusts, rspb or other conservation bodies so really there is no us and them.

habitat management for wildlife sometimes involves predator or population control - e.g if you want dormice to thrive you need succesful coppice woodland and copice doesnt regrow where there is high deer population, if you want red squirels you (arguably) need to control the grey, if you want rare ground nesting birds like stone curlew, lapwing, terns etc then you need to control their predators, if you want watervoles to survive and recover, the alien mink need to be shot or trapped etc etc

I would agree with you that there is no need to apologise for badmouthing those out to destroy the countryside , but many of those involved in protecting it often have no choice but to get involved in "hunting" techniques - not for enjoyment , or sport, and certainly not from bloodlust, but reluctantly when there is no other alternative

[Susie]

Originally Posted by TheSeagull

The pain that the deer deal with doesn't bother me. Merely the fact that humans in all there powers of domestication continue to unnecessarily hunt wild animals for consumption, some even for sport.

But why? I don't mean that in a cheeky sense, just that I purely don't understand where you are coming from and would like to be enlightened.

We have such differing view points I don't think they could ever be reconciled but I would like to at least understand your point of view. I have no problem with the concept of things dying so I can survive, this goes on every day from the smallest to the biggest creatures; my body is constantly killing bacteria and viruses and they are living things, I eat vegetables and they are living things, every time I have a slice of bread the wheat and yeast that went into it were living things which died purely for my benefit as did the pig that formed the bacon - I have no problem in accepting any of that death on my behalf but I wouldn't want a single thing to suffer more pain in its death than it had to.

[squeek]

Originally Posted by Susie

I don't find any part of a rabbit being infested with maggots funny, squeek, and it is an image that will stay with me for a long time.

What I found funny was the conundrum put to you by DunkeryMunkery.

You profess all living things' right to life and yet your perception as to what is entitled to that right seems to be very limited, ie. maggots should die, weeds should die, you eat vegetables so obviously they have to die ....but yet aren't they alive too?

Please don't take my post too seriously, you do seem like a very kind person and that has to be applauded.

well thats my point also is that is wasnt a conundrum as such, as i do have a logical answer.
i have no way said i think maggots are ok, i have said before in another thread i would kill weeds. i also think fleas should die, lice should die , i just havent hit on this. you roll eyes and yet it is you nit picking. as you have said to me please dont take my post too seriously i can say the same to you.
seems being kind gets me no where so there is no need to applaud me thanks