The Real Monarch Of The Glen

[John Doe]

I would like to find out other peoples opinions about the programme on BBC2 tonight and other peoples opinions about what Paul Lister is doing (personally I think it's tremendous!). Also if anyone knows how to get in touch with Paul directly?

[ron1863]

Has it been on, I watched the end of the first episode last week (Scotland). I think it is a good experiment but don't think he has enough land to sustain the species he is introducing.

Oh! welcome to WAB.

[seamusagleann]

i echo your sentiments,ron ,he just doesn't have enough land .all i think he's doing is creating a micro environment ,but it'll be interesting to see what happens.

[ron1863]

Originally Posted by seamusagleann

i echo your sentiments,ron ,he just doesn't have enough land .all i think he's doing is creating a micro environment ,but it'll be interesting to see what happens.

Be even more interesting if the animal lovers set them all free

[John Doe]

I love his attitude and what he's trying to achieve, but, (an it's a big but!) where is he going with the whole Rhino thing etc.??? Boars, Beavers even moose I can understand. but why the denizens of the African plains???????????????:confused :

[John Doe]

Is that, by any chance, a call to arms (as it were)? Perchance we should spread all species across all borders??? It's worth discussion!

[John Doe]

Are you, by any chance, advocating a 'liberation' policy?? Shame on you!! Worth discussion though!!

[John Doe]

I seem to be repeating myself!

[ron1863]

If he is introducing Rhino's then I can only imagine that it's for publicity, surely nobody would be crazy enough to bring that into the Scottish highlands. I can see the wildlife escaping now because I don't think the fence would take a Rhino charge.

[sheps]

He don't care about the animals it is all about money and money is not a good reason to take all these animals back into Scotland or indeed the UK. He doesn't listen or care what the local people think either, he doesn't even employ many of them (I can count them on one hand). It gets up my nose all these people with money that turn the Highlands into their playgrounds. Anyone who supports this should think how safe would they feel living within 5 miles of him and the predators he wants to introduce here into a natural wild environment. I was brought up walking the hills and it is good to feel safe, those days feel numbered if this man has his way. Thankfully he currently doesn't have enough land to do all he wants but I am sure he will have a good try.

[deer boy]

Originally Posted by sheps

Anyone who supports this should think how safe would they feel living within 5 miles of him and the predators he wants to introduce here into a natural wild environment. I was brought up walking the hills and it is good to feel safe, those days feel numbered if this man has his way.

I think your overreacting slightly people who live in places like Australia & Africa have wildlife far more dangerous than the animals Paul Lister wants to re-introduce.
The animals were here long before us as well,it's only because we wiped them out that there not still living here now

[sheps]

No I don't think this is an over reaction, but yes it came across as one.

This is not Africa or Australia, if it was it would not be such an issue. Do you have any idea how small Scotland is and the small area he owns? Do you think it is fair to keep such animals in such numbers in such a small area? How can they live naturally fenced in such a small area? Also the ecology is a lot different to when these animals once lived here and I doubt the landscape cannot support so many apex predators.

Just because they were once here is no reason in my books to bring them back, we simply don't need them and they will bring no benefit to the average Scot. I mean would you bring back dinos if you could? After all they were here first too.

Hell why can't everyone see it is only about the money to be made not the animals. Even his website and local shop just reek of someone out to make money. I would have more respect for him if he was honest about that fact instead of hiding behind this charade.

There is just a lot more to this whole topic and yes I never went into it in my first response which made it look like an over reaction. I will not go into it now as there is plenty of other people better qualified than me who have already done so if you care to look it up on the web.

[deer boy]

Originally Posted by sheps

This is not Africa or Australia, if it was it would not be such an issue. Do you have any idea how small Scotland is and the small area he owns? Do you think it is fair to keep such animals in such numbers in such a small area? How can they live naturally fenced in such a small area? Also the ecology is a lot different to when these animals once lived here and I doubt the landscape cannot support so many apex predators.

Which sadly are a few of the reasons why his plan won't work, it is to small & he wouldn't be allowed to put predators & prey in the same enclosure.

Originally Posted by sheps

Just because they were once here is no reason in my books to bring them back, we simply don't need them and they will bring no benefit to the average Scot. I mean would you bring back dinos if you could? After all they were here first too.

It would solve the overcrowding issue

[sheps]

It would solve the overcrowding issue [/quote]

lol

[canny]

I don't think he has any intention of releasing Rhino, he went to Africa just to get ideas from the model they used out there and how it would work in Scotland with Scotlands native animals.

[Rob_D]

I for one applaud Paul Lister's efforts in stiring up the debate. Whether or not his current plans are practical is another matter. I agree that the area is much too small, but there is plenty of land that will become available once the politcal will is there.

Fear of the carnivores themselves is the least valid of any of the reasons not to re-introduce them. The fear is real enough, but the threat is minimal - you are at much more risk from dogs and cows. Large Carnivore Initiative for Europe

[Jim Ford]

The _real_ 'Monarch of The Glen' is the midge, and always will be!

Jim