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Old 03-01-2008, 04:32 PM
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Anyone ever bought any woodland?

Curious if anyone here owns woodland that they have purchased. It's something I've been looking at and although (obviously) not cheap, the wife is interested too. That's the major obstacle out the way then *snigger* - just wondering if anyone has experiences to share.

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Re: Anyone ever bought any woodland?

I wish. It's a dream I have but one I won't be doing for a while. However that doesn't stop me from looking at the local auction pages... and planning in my head what I would do if I had one. I say "go for it". What sort of size are you looking at? deciduous or conifer? I dream of an oak/beach wood.... plus the odd badger sett (of course) oh and dormice, and bluebells and wild garlic... (I'd better stop now before I get carried away...)
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Re: Anyone ever bought any woodland?

I'd love to but i couldnt afford to now haha.
My grandpa & his brothers divided up some woodlands and land they owned behind Cheddar Wood, one was called Rose Wood, but my grandpa gave his woodland to the National Trust quite awhile ago. He kept some land attached to the woodland though that is behind Cheddar Wood.

I've just found a website that has woodland for sale in the UK and information on managing it etc Woodlands.co.uk - Woodlands for sale throughout the UK
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Old 04-01-2008, 12:21 PM
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Re: Anyone ever bought any woodland?

Thanks for the replies.

I have been looking on that site, sizes around 5-6 acres or so would be great.

Personally I would prefer mainly deciduous woodland with some conifer thrown in for variance. Badger setts would be something I would love but would really depend on what's available locally and potential. I would like to add a pond in so something with clearings I would be looking for also.

I would no doubt end up with a few hides on the site somewhere too.

I realise it's not cheap but the possibilities would be fantastic. It would also be an investment I would think!
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Re: Anyone ever bought any woodland?

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Curious if anyone here owns woodland that they have purchased. It's something I've been looking at and although (obviously) not cheap, the wife is interested too. That's the major obstacle out the way then *snigger* - just wondering if anyone has experiences to share.

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yes, several different parcels of both commercial softwoods and amenity deciduous woods. Experiences to share - well you are going to need a woodburning stove and if you thought getting the wife to agree to purchase the woods is the major obstacle just wait till you find you need a tractor!!

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Re: Anyone ever bought any woodland?

[quote=Tobyh;216399]Thanks for the replies.

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I have been looking on that site, sizes around 5-6 acres or so would be great.
I would be a little careful with that site - the indicative prices they quote seem well over the odds. Try John Clegg, Savills, Scottish Woodlands, and Bidwells who all run forestry sales departments. 5-6 acres is really too small to be worthwhile in either wildlife or commercial terms (in my own view obviously).

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Personally I would prefer mainly deciduous woodland with some conifer thrown in for variance
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High amenity value but a nuisance if planted as an intimate mix, which is often done to use the conifers as a nurse crop for the broadleaves. If that is the case the required conifer removal will be loss making. A proportion of conifers definately makes a woodland considerably warmer and more attractive to wildlife

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Badger setts would be something I would love but would really depend on what's available locally and potential.
Badgers in a small wood will render any management very difficult.

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I realise it's not cheap but the possibilities would be fantastic. It would also be an investment I would think!
There are investment possibilities which are worth considering, in general timber sales are free of Income Tax and Capital gains tax is only applicable to the land value not the timber value. If run commercially it can also be free of inheritance tax. I would caution however that a wood of 5-6 acres is very unlikely to be self sustaining in investment terms and will almost certainly result in a net loss, particularly if it is deciduous.

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Re: Anyone ever bought any woodland?

Muldonach,

Many thanks for the reply, some interesting things to consider there.

My interest would not really be commercial - it would be leisure mainly for the family / friends etc. I would not be looking to make money from the timber. My investment comment was really thinking long term and resale value I didn't think was likely to go down if sold in the future.

It really would be mainly for wildlife. I am quite ignorant on this subject as I've only just started looking into it but didn't think that would mean too much maintenance would be needed. I am fooling myself?

Badgers - I assume you mean if there are Setts on site then as they are protected it will make changing anything close almost impossible?

Really appreciate your experiences here.

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Re: Anyone ever bought any woodland?

A friend of OH's bought some woodland out near Tenterden a few years back. It's surprising just how unruly unmanaged woodland can get, it was in dreadful shape when she first bought it. She found the local scout group invaluable in helping her to clear it. In return, they got a nice private site for camping! It is a lot of hard work and you need to be dedicated, especially if you are working full-time as every spare moment could be spent in the woodland (sounds ok to me, if you like that sort of thing though! )

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In the past when I have been looking into this I've managed to find quite a few woodland nature reserves around the country that have websites... they should give you an idea of the amount of work needed... but there will be quite a lot (especially if the wood hasn't been particularly well managed in the past). For plants/wildlife to really thrive you have to get rid of a lot of other trees/plants that have invaded the wood... clear areas to help specific plants (eg orchids), I think there will be quite a lot of ongoing work... but hey, surely that's part of the fun?
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Re: Anyone ever bought any woodland?

[quote=Tobyh;216870]Muldonach,

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My interest would not really be commercial - it would be leisure mainly for the family / friends etc. I would not be looking to make money from the timber. My investment comment was really thinking long term and resale value I didn't think was likely to go down if sold in the future.
Ok well understood, if you are looking for an amenity purchase then obviously things to focus on will be biodiversity in terms of both tree species and type and hopefully some variation in ground type eg a mix of wet and dry which willl help with pond establishment if practicable. It is unlikely that resale value will decline unless some major event like a big windblow occurs. It is not so much a question of making money as avoiding something that is going to be a constant, unbudgeted drain on your finances.

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It really would be mainly for wildlife. I am quite ignorant on this subject as I've only just started looking into it but didn't think that would mean too much maintenance would be needed. I am fooling myself?
You are probably correct in that too much management should not be required, however almost certainly some will since things do not stay still. If you want an amenity wood then I would say that the most important thing is to make sure it is convenient to you and family, to state the obvious you will get much more enjoyment out of something that is 10 minutes walk away than something which is 1 hours drive.

Next thing is to make sure you can get into it when you want to - is vehicle access possible all year round? On the other hand if it is too easy are you liable to fly tipping - we have one parcel which borders a road and you would not believe what we find on the roadside. It really winds me up since there is a council refuse site a few miles away and almost anything can be disposed of for free. In this respect you need to be aware that once dumped the refuse becomes your responsibility.

Look at the condition of stock fencing around your prospective purchase, it is important to exclude farm stock since cattle and sheep will rapidly denude any understory. Most boundary fences are on a shared maintenance basis, if you find that animals presently have free access then talk to the neighbours and suss out their attitudes before you buy.

Check for any existing wayleaves for utilities such as power, gas, water or sewage lines and make sure you understand rights and responsibilities on both sides - you will not be happy if you sow a wild flower mix for butterflies and someone arrives with a tractor powered swipe to clear the ground over a pipeline and prevent tree establishment.

Look at how much public access is involved, you will be liable for third party damage caused by e.g. trees falling over a fence or roadway. If the council gets involved in clearing your trees off a highway then expect to pay through the nose - they will charge like a wounded bull!

Drains will normally require cleaning on a 3-5 year cycle, ponds on a longer cycle depending upon depth and construction.

As for prescriptive management it really depends what you want to see and how easily you want to see it, in forestry terms light = life and if you want real variety you need to create a mixture of light and shade on the forest floor and may have to face controlling invasive species such as bracken or some of the exotic imports.

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Badgers - I assume you mean if there are Setts on site then as they are protected it will make changing anything close almost impossible?
Yes that is correct - bear in mind that it is illegal to disturb badgers in any way, if you are sharing a small wood with them they will make poor if interesting neighbours.

None of the above is intended to put you off by the way, we thoroughly enjoy being in and working in the woodland we own and manage - even with the black and white toerags. You should however be sure that you know what your objectives are and be realistic as to the amount of work and downside risk and costs that may be involved.

Oh - unless you are already suitably trained please don't pick up a chainsaw and head for the woods - it really does not take a big tree to kill you!

I should also post a health warning - it gets seriously addictive and I really look forward to the spring when the bluebells are up and the woodpeckers are working.

If there are any other specific questions please don't hesitate to post - if I cannot answer I should be able to steer you towards a source of info.

As an indication of what can be done have a look at "Will's Shoot Revisited" By Will Garfitt. Most people who visit here will probably not be entirely happy about the focus on fieldsports but it is a good illustration of what can be done with some very unprepossessing scrub.

One thing in your favour if you are looking for amenity is that the less valuable the wood the better it may suit you.


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