Unidentified creamy coffee coloured mushroom found in January

[ianmichaels]

Originally Posted by fairplay

Just to be boring: In Germany, Lepista luscina may be the accepted name, but it appears that in Britain, the name is a nomen dubium, ie, not a valid name, and that it should be Lepista panaeolus instead.

Neil.

Interesting but it appears to be a panaeolus/luscina type anyway so I’ve narrowed it down and this explains why I haven’t seen much about this luscina on the internet.

Thanks for that.

[ianmichaels]

Originally Posted by mollisia

Hello Ian,

"The Lepista" doesn't exist: Lepista is a genus of several species. Some of these species are common, like L. nuda (Wood Blewitt), L. sordida, some are uncommon like L. saeva, L. irina, L. panaeolus/luscina and some are rare like L. martiorum, L. densifolia, L. caespitosum, L. ricekii etc.etc.

What concerns L. luscina, so this taxon is not seen as an independent species by all mycologist. Especially the dutch think that L. panaeolus and L. luscina are synoynmous. If you have the extrem typicals for both, they are quite different: L. panaeolus grey, with droplets ("marks") on the cap, stout fruitbodies vs. L. luscina creamy to whitish, no marks on the cap, usually somewhat more slender. But as it is said, that intermediates occure, they are lumped together by many. As I know the L. panaeolus quite well, from calcareous pastures and heath-land on lime, always growing in rows and circles, I hesitate to synonymize the whitish, slender L. luscina (which looks on first and second glance very much like Clitocybe phyllophila!)
Yours could well be such an intermediate: colours and missing marks as L. luscina, stout fruitbodies like in L. panaeolus. As I don't give too much on the shape of the fruitbodies, I would tentatively name that one L. luscina -IF the microscopical details don't contradict!

L. luscina I ahve only met inside of forest or at their border, in thickets, in bushes, but never in open grassland.
Here a foto of what I call L. luscina, from an area with calcareous sand dunes (only site in Germany with that ecologycomparable to Hungarian Puszta)



best regards,
Andreas

edit: Neil just mentiones what I say in my thread too: L. luscina is not seen as independent by all mycologist, and I will remember from now on that it's not only the dutch, but also the british (and the scandinavian too, I suppose, and possible half of the germans too ...)

Sorry mollisia I’ve been a way a couple of days,

So most likely luscina then (I did find them near trees), if not then an intermediate between these two. Great to identify this.
I’d previously I'd little knowledge of this genus good to get an overview of it.

Yea it’s a complicated subject maybe I’d be better off just buying a microscope.

Thanks, I really appreciate you detailed comments on this thread.

[mollisia]

Hello,

Originally Posted by ianmichaels

So most likely luscina then (I did find them near trees), if not then an intermediate between these two. Great to identify this.

From my part this one isn't identified at all. What I said here, is what is my idea when seeing the foto. But I have also written "I would tentatively name that one L. luscina -IF the microscopical details don't contradict!" and "[...], that you probably have right with those being Field Blewitts, completely dried out now."

Originally Posted by ianmichaels

I’d previously I'd little knowledge of this genus good to get an overview of it.

For an overview there are still a lot of species necessary which have not been mentioned in this thread yet. In Germany we have 15 species (L. luscina not included). In Index fungorum 155 taxa are listet (o.k., most of them are no longer in Lepista today ...)

Originally Posted by ianmichaels

Yea it’s a complicated subject maybe I’d be better off just buying a microscope.

He he, and you think, things are less complicate then?

best regards,
Andreas