possible Boletus Satanas, but what's the other one?

[Lemars]

Evenin' all

I came across these today and have been able - possibly - to identify the first one as Boletus Satanas. It had already been picked and discarded by a previous forager. If I'm wrong, would someone please let me know ?? Sorry - no measure in the photos - it's about 8-10cm high.






As for this one - I've not a clue. I've come across many similar mushrooms, but I think this is the first I've seen with such a flaked stem and stippled gills. I'm at a loss. Could anyone throw some light, please ?



Many thanks

C

[Chris Yeates]

Originally Posted by Lemars

As for this one - I've not a clue. I've come across many similar mushrooms, but I think this is the first I've seen with such a flaked stem and stippled gills. I'm at a loss. Could anyone throw some light, please ?



Many thanks

C

I would say this is a Hebeloma - H. crustuliniforme or a close relative (the droplets are characteristic, but this is a difficult genus, and micro-characters are almost always necessary)

cheers

Chris

[flaxton]

With the pale cap and that pale pink flush to the pores I think you are lucky enough to have found B satanus.

Mal

[Lemars]

Thanks Chris - so those are droplets, are they ? I assumed it was coloration. I'm pretty sure I've not come across one of these before, but maybe they don't demonstrate this feature at a later stage.

I'll look out for them in future.

Mal - thank you for the confirmation. It's good to get it right just once in a while (though I know this one wasn't too difficult).

C

[Chris Yeates]

Originally Posted by Lemars

Thanks Chris - so those are droplets, are they ? I assumed it was coloration. I'm pretty sure I've not come across one of these before, but maybe they don't demonstrate this feature at a later stage.

I'll look out for them in future.
C

hi

those are not the actual droplets - they are the result of the droplets forming earlier; the droplets concentrate the spores and when they dry they leave these tell-tale spots, darker because of the spores

Chris

[mollisia]

Hello,

I can only second what Chris already said.
Boletus satanas ist sure. Not a too rare species in your area, I think.
The Hebeloma could well be H. crustuliniforme, because it belongs into the section Denudata (the ones without veil and with droplets in the gills). Those droplets are a good character WHEN they are visible - but on the other hand it is not a good character that they are NOT TO SEE. Just because they could have been there, but the wheather conditions might be too warm to let them appear. So IF you see them, its good, but if you DON'T see them, it means nothing.
A further good character for H. crustuliniforme are the rough scales on the stipe apex. In most of the other species in this section the stipe apex is only pruinose, but not that rough.
And furthermore the somewhat stout habit is also a hint towards H. crustuliniforme. Other species are often more elongate.

best regards,
Andreas

[Lemars]

Thanks Chris and Andreas - that makes much more sense. If they'd been droplets, they'd have been miniscule !

C