Psathyrella multipedata? Plus a Bolete for identification.

[Johnny81]

Anyone fed up of me yet?
Am I correct on this one? Taken on a woodland path today, Northampton (young oaks and hazel main constituents), sandy soils (former quarry land) there was absolutely hundreds of Coprinus comatus in the areas and also Lacrymaria lacrymabunda. Spore print brown.


These were near, probably the same gone over


Any idea on this bolete? On grassland next to scots pine. Cut open an hour ago and no colour change. A Suillus sp.?

[Lancashire Lad]

Hi,

P.multipedata looks good to me.

The second looks like a rather dry Suillus luteus.

Regards,
Mike.

[Johnny81]

Thanks Mike

Would have been nice to get Suillus luteus when its all sticky, would have been easy for me then to ID! May go up another time or next year a bit earlier and get it if it pops up again.

Found a bewildering array of fungi today, I need a scope!

[FungiJohn]

Originally Posted by Johnny81

I need a scope!

Now that's talking Johnny

John

[Ken Burgess]

Originally Posted by Lancashire Lad

Hi,

P.multipedata looks good to me.

I am always impressed by people's confidence with Psathyrella e.g. I wouldn't be able to tell whether this was P. multipedata or P. piluliformis without microscopy.

Ken

[FungiJohn]

Originally Posted by Ken Burgess

I am always impressed by people's confidence with Psathyrella e.g. I wouldn't be able to tell whether this was P. multipedata or P. piluliformis without microscopy.

Ken

You will soon get the hang of it Ken

I would certainly look closely how it was attached to the substrate, guess the ID and then box it for the scope

John

[Chris Yeates]

Originally Posted by Ken Burgess

I am always impressed by people's confidence with Psathyrella e.g. I wouldn't be able to tell whether this was P. multipedata or P. piluliformis without microscopy.

Ken

I must admit when I first saw it I thought of P. piluliformis . . .

spore size would clinch it

Chris

[Lancashire Lad]

Originally Posted by Ken Burgess

I am always impressed by people's confidence with Psathyrella e.g. I wouldn't be able to tell whether this was P. multipedata or P. piluliformis without microscopy.

Ken

I was going on info from Courtecuisse & Duhem) that P.piluliformis grows from wood, and should have a margin with thin pale then blackish membrane covering the gills. But the gill shot (of a not fully open example) shows no hint of remnants of such a membrane.

C&D also says (amongst other things) of P.multipedata - veil very transient, and sometimes growing in vast tufts, grassy places. Which fits with the gill photo and the shown substrate.

I appreciate that they could perhaps be on buried wood, and that microscopy might be the only way to be certain, but that could equally apply to lots of ID requests on WAB where the only thing to go on is a photo.

But - solely on the evidence available - no membrane, grassy area substrate, (and what I'd call a vast tuft) in the mature shot, I thought P.multipedata looked the more likely, hence, "looks good to me".

In hindsight, it was just a quick response, and perhaps might have gone down better had I mentioned my (scant though it was) logic.

Regards,
Mike.

[Ken Burgess]

My comment wasn't particularly aimed at you, Mike. It was more of a general one. I often see people confidently naming P. multipedata in the field, in cases where I am not clear, myself, how they have arrived at that conclusion.

To me, the fresh specimens in the top photos are showing lots of veil remnants around the cap margin and the two tone colour of the caps might suggest P. piluliformis. The habitat, described as a wooden path, could well contain buried wood. The older specimens do look densely caespitose, which could suggest P. multipedata. So are there two species here, or just one? In the field, I wouldn't be sure, so I'd have to take them back to look at the spores.

But perhaps other people have more experience than me at spotting the differences in the field, given that I don't often take back Psathyrella samples for confirmation. I usually hope someone else will do it.

Ken

[Johnny81]

Can't say this will help but the woodland is a new plantation only 10-12 years old, most of these specimens were actually on the path with some on the fringes. The whole path and surrounding area into the woodland was covered with Coprinus comatus also. As I don't own a scope and can't really give any more information I'm going to have to leave this as Psathyrella sp.

Thanks though guys.