Paxillus panuoides?

[diggleken]

Hi,
this appeared growing on the ground, but theres probably buried wood there of some form - at first I just thought a bit Oysterish, maybe branching Oyster, P cornucopia, but somethings not right.
Have I got Paxillus panuoides? Or what!
Nice faint mushroomy smell, offset short stipe and wildly decurrent gills, cap splitting and convoluting when older but all whiteish apart from a pale brown discolouration. No lilac tinge at stem base as far as I can see though.

Grateful for help/steer. In Yorkshire Chris.
Cheers
Ken

[fairplay]

Could this be an old Pleurocybella porrigens perhaps ?

Neil.

[diggleken]

Originally Posted by fairplay

Could this be an old Pleurocybella porrigens perhaps ?

Neil.

Ooohh, that looks quite interesting Neil, thanks for that idea!
Both Jordan and Philips have this in the Scottish highlands only, but what do they know? joke.
Seriously, thats a possibility as far as I can see, except they do seem to have a short stipe. Otherwise, hhmmm.
Thanks Neil, anyone have any further views on that ?
Collection and dry to Chris?
Cheers
Ken

[Ken Burgess]

I wouldn't jump to any conclusions about this one. It would need to be checked from first principles, including spore colour.

Just look at this image:



At least one specimen appears to be centrally stipitate, which would rule out some options.

Ken

[fairplay]

Yes, I had noticed that, but I thought we had two different species, obviously they have been messed about with and what I thought may be something special, had in fact, broken away from the stem.

Beginning to take on the form of Clitocybe phyllophila with that white bloom. Just a possibility mind.

Neil.

[diggleken]

Another good suggestion Neil.....................I'll bomb round tomorrow if I can and get a full specimen to have a proper look at a la Mr Burgess (quite right Ken) to try and do a proper job this time.
I just had a bit of the gills before as I thought it might be obvious, but back to basics!
Thanks all, I'll report back when done.
Cheers
Ken

[diggleken]

Right, lets start again..............
Stem pretty centrally attached, gills adnate/slightly decurrent, white/cream spore print, cap has a small rolled rim and is silky and dry, all flesh is white, but gills are slightly creamy.
Stem is silky fibrillose and twists easily in growth, perhaps as there are a number together - It seems to grow as a number of fruting bodies from the same base.
I cant find a woody substrate, seems to be from the soil.

Hope this is helpful!
Clitocybe phyllophila, frosty funnel may well be good?
Cheers
Ken

[Ken Burgess]

Have you tried rubbing iron salts on the gills and looking for a colour change?

Ken

[diggleken]

Originally Posted by Ken Burgess

Have you tried rubbing iron salts on the gills and looking for a colour change?

Ken

In short, no Ken!
Ferrous sulphate? any iron salt? From where I dont know, any household things, baking soda, toothpaste etc?
How and what to expect please, just a colour change? this ones a new concept to me!
And what will it tell me about genus/species?
Cheers
Ken

[Ken Burgess]

Originally Posted by diggleken

any household things, baking soda, toothpaste etc?

I don't think sodium bicarbonate will cut the mustard so to speak, even in toothpaste.

Originally Posted by diggleken

Ferrous sulphate? any iron salt?

Yes, probably any iron salts, but ferrous sulphate is the usual, although I use a crystal of iron alum. And the test can be done using a crystal or solution.

Originally Posted by diggleken

How and what to expect please, just a colour change?

It's a specific test for Lyophyllum connatum. The gills will turn violet with iron salts. Other possibilities, such as Clitocybe spp. will not react in this way.

Ken