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Old 05-07-2011, 08:16 PM
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Boletus of some kind

Evening all,

I was enjoying a spot of lunch in a garden in the village of Sandwich, Kent on Sunday and came across these mushrooms.

Please excuse the pics (which were taken with my less then top range mobile).

There were about 20 of them, 2/2.5 inch diameter on the cap, growing in a sheltered, composted border. I examined one and noted a mushroomy smell (though faint), blue/black brusing occured when i dented a couple of areas.

Cap colour - warm brown with one specimin showing a redder tone. One featured cracking at the edge of the cap and the cap texture of all was velvety/rubbery almost. The specimin featured hints of red at the base of the stripe.

I noted something of a circular formation and the presence of a large birch tree on the other side of the wooden fencing.

The blue/black brusing made of think of Bay bolete but i could be wrong of course!

Any ideas much appreciated - apologies again that the pics are not great!

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Old 05-07-2011, 08:37 PM
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Re: Boletus of some kind

The one on the left in the last pic does look very much like badius to me, not so sure about the one on the right though I think it can be quite variable and the specimen is fairly old.

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Old 05-07-2011, 09:01 PM
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Re: Boletus of some kind

The last one, bottom right, looks very much like Xerocomus/Boletus rubellus, but trying to identify Boletes from this quality of photos is fraught with danger, still, having said that, I will take another foolish gamble and say in the middle photo you may even have a few B.pruinatus mixed in there.

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Old 06-07-2011, 10:09 AM
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Re: Boletus of some kind

Very good find well done!
I found something simular over the weekend to but the caps on the ones i found where hazel brown. I thought bay bolete but when there not fresh im useless at identifying them!
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Old 06-07-2011, 11:57 AM
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Re: Boletus of some kind

You may well have X. rubellus and X. engelii which is syn. with X. declivitatum & X. communis. Unfortunately the latter does not appear in many, if any books but you may be able to google it for a picture. Not sure if there is a pic on here? Your pictures could do with be being sharper and it is useful with these small Boletes if you cut them in half to see any colour change in the stem and cap flesh.

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Old 29-07-2011, 09:50 AM
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Smile Re: Boletus of some kind

Thanks very much for all the replies and apologies about the quality of the photos. I've popped a note to the garden owner with some of the suggestions which i'm sure will be of as much interest to her as they are to me.
Since spotting these, i've seen a couple of other boletus. Something smelling rather lovely and looking cep like outside my local in central Ealing and well as some mini chaps growing out of a concrete wall near a tube station!
So much around at the moment!



Thanks again for the replies and best wishes to all.
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Re: Boletus of some kind

Now this really IS interesting.

I'm not going to guess which Bolete this is, but this substrate for a Bolete has to be the strangest ever, but there just has to be wood in there somewhere - I think !

I have found Tubaria furfuracea growing on just an old brick before, but this Boletus growing out of a wall like this takes some beating.

Neil.

Edit: Alright then, quick guess: B subtomentosus ?

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Old 29-07-2011, 07:28 PM
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Wow i never knew boletes could grow on bricks!
Jesus what an incredible find!
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I'm going to bump up this thread again because nobody seems to recognise the significance of this Bolete growing from apparently "a concrete wall near a tube station"

This would appear to be defying science for Boletes are known to be mychorrhizal fungi (although the status of Boletus parasitica is still being debated) - that means they will be in a 2 way relationship with the root system of a nearby tree.

So how do we explain this one then ?
Well, for starters, there is red brick inside and it looks more like a crumbling wall. It could be argued the crumbling allowed airborne organic particles to enter, but remember Boletes are mycorrhizal and the photo suggests that the emerging fungi could be responsible for forcing their way out and causing that crumbling we see.

My guess is that a tree seed fell into a crevice on the top of the wall, and sufficient nutrients had fallen into this crevice to allow the seed to germinate which in turn forced the tree to push roots down through the wall to seek water.

But Boletes are specific only to certain types of tree such as Oak, Beech, etc., so when was the last time you saw such a tree growing on a wall ?

Little Auk11 makes no mention of a tree growing nearby, so perhaps it was a very young tree - that then raises the question of how big does a tree have to be before it can produce fruiting bodies ?

Years ago, when I used to be a tree warden, I was at a conservation conference where the speaker was telling us that it is better to leave 'jagged' cuts with a chainsaw than a nice clean cut. I was mystified for as a gardener, I had always read that clean cuts are best because they heal quicker thus keeping fungal spores, etc. out.

It was then explained to me (whether true or not - I do not know) that it makes no difference as the fungal spores are already in the tree as it grows, and sometimes the spores can even be inside the seed !
(I am aware that with cultivated Truffles you have to buy the Oak already impregnated with a fungal inoculum)

One often sees Elder or Sycamore starting to grow on walls, but other trees are a lot more rare. First we have to identify the fungus, but to do this it helps to know what the tree species is, and as there seems to be no tree ............

Neil.

EDIT: I've just remembered an old article I think, by Alick Henrici, in which he asks us to keep an eye open for B.parasiticus growing on fungi other than Scleroderma citrinum.
Little Auk11 does mention that these were 'mini chaps' - so I wonder ?

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Old 30-07-2011, 09:17 AM
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Re: Boletus of some kind

Good morning!

Wow - this is a surprise. I added those pics and comments as a bit of an after thought really (i feel i ask so much you of lovely chaps i.d-help wise!) but yes, even with my basic knowledge, their location did strike me as somewhat unusual! These were found along an alleyway at the back of a tube station on the Piccadilly line. Its not far from Heathrow so my first thought was that some crazy triffid like spores had travelled from a far on the turn-up of a passengers jeans soon to give knotweed a run for its money! I soon dismissed this thought! I’m more then happy to reveal the name of said station but I’m considering popping over there today so as not to waste anyone’s time if they are curious! These pics were taken a few weeks ago.
I must admit that due to colour and the way these were growing, I did think of parasitic bolete.

The alley is lined with trees. Off the top of my head i'd say cedar/ leylandii. I don't think oak or beech grow in the direct area. The size of these mushrooms at the cap would be about 1.5 to 2 inches. They were growing in three spots - all in small clusters of two or three. Near each other, all from cracks in the concrete. This are looking like it had perhaps been a repair job to original brickwork. I took one of the fruiting bodies which i still have in its dried form.

Right, now all i have to do is convince my partner that we need to go back and investigate. Fingers crossed i'll report back later with more pics and info about tree's etc - i'll photograph as much as i can.

Thank you for your interest!
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