Possibly Neodasyscypha cerina

[FungiJohn]

Hello all

Peter (Ditiola) gave Les, John and I, a very good introduction to some of his local sites on Sunday.

At Kedleston Hall I found this Discomycete on dead Beech. Peter has suggested possibly Neodasyscypha cerina and although there are few images of this species, it's a good starting point.

I struggled at x1000 to see spores and they seemed very tiny indeed. Here are a few 'macro' images taken in situ and a close up using the stereo microscope.







Any comments as always much appreciated

John et al

[WildCassieThing]

Lovely pictures! Bottom one in the larger picture size is fabulous.
Tick V. G.

[Lancashire Lad]

Your photos certainly look to be a very good match with many of the Neodasyscypha cerina/Lachnum cerinum photos to be found on the web John.

Microscopy must be the order of the day for definitive ID though.

The GBIF portal states only 82 records. Would it not be worth sending material to Kew?

Regards,
Mike.

[FungiJohn]

Originally Posted by Lancashire Lad

Your photos certainly look to be a very good match with many of the Neodasyscypha cerina/Lachnum cerinum photos to be found on the web John.

Microscopy must be the order of the day for definitive ID though.

The GBIF portal states only 82 records. Would it not be worth sending material to Kew?

Regards,
Mike.

I'm sending it off to Kew Mike. I had a go but didn't get very far on the microscope.

I note from the WEB images that Steve Clements from the Sorby society also found this in January ... and at Longshaw! A small world indeed

John

[mollisia]

Hello,

its definitely Neodasyscypha cerina. No need to send it to Kew. This species can be recognized macroscopically with some experience. It is a drought tolerant species and I have seen it perhaps a hundred times or so.

best regards,
Andreas

[FungiJohn]

Originally Posted by mollisia

Hello,

its definitely Neodasyscypha cerina. No need to send it to Kew. This species can be recognized macroscopically with some experience. It is a drought tolerant species and I have seen it perhaps a hundred times or so.

best regards,
Andreas

Hello Andreas

Thanks for this.

Could you possibly explain a little more about the macro features, just so I'm sure what the distinguishing features are. I'm assuming the 'black' stems are one characteristic feature.

Best Wishes - John

[mollisia]

Dear John,

no, the black stalks are not characteristic. I usually find the apothecia sitting without stalk. It is the pubescent (or better short haired) outside with hairs in that typical olive colour + a hymenium colour that varies between ochre-yellow and khaki to olivish-grey. And the ecology always on very hard hard-wood, often still attached to the tree.

best regards,
Andreas

[FungiJohn]

Originally Posted by mollisia

Dear John,

no, the black stalks are not characteristic. I usually find the apothecia sitting without stalk. It is the pubescent (or better short haired) outside with hairs in that typical olive colour + a hymenium colour that varies between ochre-yellow and khaki to olivish-grey. And the ecology always on very hard hard-wood, often still attached to the tree.

best regards,
Andreas

Hello Andreas

Most useful and many thanks!

John

[mollisia]

Hello,

a typical biotop for this species is the cutten stumpf of hazel stems. When one clears a hazel bush, several sometimes strong stems will be cut. After some years on this cut surface first Bisporella subpallida occurs, and often afterwards Neodasyscypha cerina. When you go in these days now and look for Encoelia furfuracea, you certainly will find here and there also Neodasyscypha cerina.
It's just ONE biotop, this species is not restricted to hazel. It occurs on every hardwood and I have seen it on Juniperus too. On Juniperus or Prunus spinosa it might be mistaken macroscopically with Velutarina rufoolivacea by unexperienced eyes.

best regards,
Andreas

[FungiJohn]

Originally Posted by mollisia

Hello,

a typical biotop for this species is the cutten stumpf of hazel stems. When one clears a hazel bush, several sometimes strong stems will be cut. After some years on this cut surface first Bisporella subpallida occurs, and often afterwards Neodasyscypha cerina. When you go in these days now and look for Encoelia furfuracea, you certainly will find here and there also Neodasyscypha cerina.
It's just ONE biotop, this species is not restricted to hazel. It occurs on every hardwood and I have seen it on Juniperus too. On Juniperus or Prunus spinosa it might be mistaken macroscopically with Velutarina rufoolivacea by unexperienced eyes.

best regards,
Andreas

Thanks again Andreas

As always, much appreciated!

John