Help with genus please

[watsthat]

I found this one on 18th Oct but cannot decide on genus. I thought it might be Entoloma but the gills look to have a purple tinge, (surely not Hypholoma). Its impossible to check but there is a possibility of a tree stump in the grass. Any help/comments much appreciated.

Pete

[Chris Yeates]

did you do a spore-print? . . . . bet you didn't

Chris

[mollisia]

Hello Pete,

I just wanted to suggest, whether there might be wood in the ground - and then read, that you already stated that possibility
I think it is a Pholiota, though the gill colours looks strange. But if you look at the stipe on the turned fruitbody on the right, then you see a typical Pholiota stipe. And the caps are also typical for this genus. But I don't know which species just from the foto.

best regards,
Andreas

[watsthat]

Originally Posted by Chris Yeates

did you do a spore-print? . . . . bet you didn't

Chris

You`re dead right Chris but I`ll get there. The trouble is, during the season there`s so much about I`m snapping everything, I must learn to be more selective and thorough.

Pete

[watsthat]

Originally Posted by mollisia

Hello Pete,

I just wanted to suggest, whether there might be wood in the ground - and then read, that you already stated that possibility
I think it is a Pholiota, though the gill colours looks strange. But if you look at the stipe on the turned fruitbody on the right, then you see a typical Pholiota stipe. And the caps are also typical for this genus. But I don't know which species just from the foto.

best regards,
Andreas

Thanks for that suggestion Andreas, I`ll have a think about it.

Cheers

Pete

[watsthat]

I have looked at my recent records for Pholiota squarrosa and some of the mature specimens look like this one, even to the gill colours. I have a newish camera (Fujifilm Finepix F72EXR) and I have not been happy with the Macro performance including colour fidelity. This may explain the colour aberration.
I have now gone back to my old camera (Nikon Coolpix 4600).


Pete

[mollisia]

Hello,

if you say that the gill colours look alike to support the suggestion Pholiota, then I can follow. But when you want to say, that this looks like to be Ph. squarrosa, then I have to denay.
Problem is, that it is important whether the yound fruitbodies had white squamules on the cap. They get washed away very easily and older fruitbodies usually don't have any more or only when closely examined. If it were like that, then you are in the relationship of Ph. lenta, and there is a sometimes synonymous seen taxon: Pholiota lubrica. But I somewhat doubt that yours is lubrica, because it should be a species of broad-leaf forests and should be less vivid in colour. When your funugs didn't had white scales when young, then next questions is, whether the cap was slimy in wet condition or not. Difficult to judge from the foto, but they do not have a too slimy look. The structure is a bit fibrillouse and there is no earth sticking to the caps. This rules out Ph. mixta and related species. So the only taxon left would be Ph. fusus, a quite cryptic species which I have no knowledge at all about.

So, in my opinion there is not much to gain with the foto alone, bu iof one had a descritpion of the fresh fruitbodies and an exsiccate, it could certainly be determined.

best regards,
Andreas