rare? and unknown!

[diggleken]

Hi all,
I'm quite sure this one is Girdled webcap - Cortinarius trivialis, which is 'rare' in a couple of my books including Jordan.
Rough grass under Willows, with a bit of oak, very viscid cap and stipe, obvious cortina, scaly stem below wide white ring, cap colour above, gills lilacish, not done a spore print yet.
Firstly, is it C. trivialis? second, how rare is rare?!

Then this one has me stumped, Clitocybe??? same habitat as the cortinarius, but sort of decurrent gills but not running much down the stem, cap shape flat but full, and stem has a clear sort of rusty red web remains. no spore print yet either.
Grateful for any steer please - and if rare is rare, should it be reported?
Cheers
Ken

[Chris Yeates]

hi

can't comment on the Cortinarius; I bet when you get a spore print from the second one it's brown, and therefore not a Clitocybe . . . . there looks to be a brown deposit on veil remnants on the stem

dare I suggest Hebeloma? - difficult from just this view, though

cheers

Chris

[jonbem]

OOh now rare is rare? Does it depend on locality?
Well I was at one time in the hospitality trade and took over a pub on short term until a "proper" landlord could be found. (sort of a relief landlord) The place was bug ridden but I collected several for the man from Rentokil. For one species he said "You don't see these very often", but I had over a dozen in a jar for him to look at.
But if talking steak, then I prefer the rarer end of cookimg (unless top notch steak then blue!)
But if talking Beefsteak Fungus Fistulina Hepatica then a quick fry in very hot butter with a splash of oil, a bit of garlic & shallot.

[diggleken]

Dont like garlic.

Good suggestion Chris, ta, but no obvious smell (forgot that bit) or droplets, so maybe not. hhmmmm.
Comments on rare anyone? Nationally or locally?
Cheers
Ken

[SheffieldLass]

Originally Posted by diggleken

Comments on rare anyone? Nationally or locally?
Cheers
Ken

That's where I check out the Basidiamycota checklist and the BMS records. so for C trivialis they say:

Habitat: On soil, usually with species of Salix in Britain (including Salix repens on dunes) but also reported with Betula, Populus tremula and Quercus spp. in mixed deciduous woodland.

Notes: Occasional in England and Scotland. Rarely reported elsewhere but apparently widespread.

Distribution: E: o, S: o, W: !, NI: !

and their maps
Species data - British fungi

Melanie

[diggleken]

Thanks for the link etc Melanie - 160 records in 60 years, not too common then!
I'll make a bid for at least the NBN records - nearest appears to be over the border in Cleckheaton.
Cheers
Ken

[Ditiola]

Hi
You must remember rarity in the fungi world generally mean rarely collected. This can relate to:
Genuine rarity
The rarrity of mycologists in some areas of the UK
The rarity of the fruiting of a not very rare fungus.

Peter

[diggleken]

Absolutely Peter, same applies to birding, but perhaps not quite as much.
Under-recorded is always a distinct possibility, for whatever reason, in many aspects of wildlife!
Cheers
Ken

[SheffieldLass]

And I avoid Cortinarius like the plague ... I'll bet I'm not the only one ...

Melanie

[FungiJohn]

Originally Posted by SheffieldLass

And I avoid Cortinarius like the plague ... I'll bet I'm not the only one ...

Melanie

But Cortinarius do look good, and there's only about a thousand known ones

John