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21-09-2010, 07:18 PM
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| | | Heboloma crustuliniforme?
Found today, growing in scattered groups on mossy stony soil mounds beside woodland path. (Under Fagus).
Caps to approx. 100mm diameter. stipes similar in height.
Most caps were slimy/viscid.
Am I correct with Poisonpie - Heboloma crustuliniforme?  
Any confirmations or other ID/suggestions much appreciated.
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21-09-2010, 07:20 PM
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| | | Re: Heboloma crustuliniforme?
It looks like it but what did it/they smell of? |
21-09-2010, 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by PMG  It looks like it but what did it/they smell of? | I'm notoriously fallible when it comes to describing how fungi smell, but I would say it was more of a vegetably radishy sort of smell than the usual mushroomy 
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Mike. EDIT - Just looked in the books and Poisonpie is supposed to smell strongly of radish.
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21-09-2010, 07:32 PM
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There you go - job done!!!! |
21-09-2010, 07:41 PM
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Cheers Pauline.
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21-09-2010, 07:53 PM
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| | | Re: Heboloma crustuliniforme?
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Originally Posted by PMG There you go - job done!!!! | errrrrrrrmmmm sadly not, I'm afraid - in his 2005 monograph on Hebeloma Jan Vesterholt states:
" Species of section Hebeloma, Denudata, Velutipes, Theobromina and Sinapizantia have a weak to strong radish-like smell, or at least radish-like components."
that's not 5 species - that's 5 sections of Hebeloma (*)
plus I learned recently that even Vesterholt is wary of using his own book! because the situation is now considered even more complex . . . . .
even with a microscope it can be quite a minefield 
Chris (*) just done a quick check in the Vesterholt book - those 5 sections include 32 species!
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22-09-2010, 07:50 AM
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| | | Re: Heboloma crustuliniforme?
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Originally Posted by Chris Yeates errrrrrrrmmmm sadly not, I'm afraid - in his 2005 monograph on Hebeloma Jan Vesterholt states:
" Species of section Hebeloma, Denudata, Velutipes, Theobromina and Sinapizantia have a weak to strong radish-like smell, or at least radish-like components."
that's not 5 species - that's 5 sections of Hebeloma (*)
plus I learned recently that even Vesterholt is wary of using his own book! because the situation is now considered even more complex . . . . .
even with a microscope it can be quite a minefield
Chris (*) just done a quick check in the Vesterholt book - those 5 sections include 32 species! | ......... ooh err! Thanks Chris however it will remain 'job done' for me ..... I don't have enough years left in me to get thro this critical stage that fungi seems to have reached  and to have a little (grumpy woman) moan .... it annoys me that I have spent a lot of money on books in the past to now find that these books are now useless and worthless ......... sorry - I'll get me coat - I admit I'm bad tempered this morning |
23-09-2010, 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by PMG ......... ooh err! Thanks Chris however it will remain 'job done' for me ..... I don't have enough years left in me to get thro this critical stage that fungi seems to have reached and to have a little (grumpy woman) moan .... it annoys me that I have spent a lot of money on books in the past to now find that these books are now useless and worthless ......... sorry - I'll get me coat - I admit I'm bad tempered this morning | hope you've cheered up, young Pauline!
sadly fungi haven't reached "a critical stage" it's that we humans were often sloppy when looking at them in the past, and often well-known and well-used macro-characters have proved to be unreliable; that isn't always the case - Clitocybe is largely separated on macro-characters, micro features not really being very distinctive a lot of the time (though it can lead to decisions as to whether gills are "greyish-brown" or "brownish-grey" - which I when I get my coat  )
there still an awful lot one can do with some good books, though; I don't want to put anyone off mycology for heaven's sake; it's just that some groups - Hebeloma being a prime example are (even) more complicated than previously thought - and still not fully sorted; I suspect that Leccinum is a similar case in point - I can't understand the complexities of the " scabrum" like ones - look at all the work Melanie is putting in and she still gets confused
the fungi are not in the business of making their identification easy for humans after all ; I know that if I collect a Hebeloma that is my evening gone (forget looking at anything else) and even then I may have to leave it as section x or section y . . . . .
cheers
Chris
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23-09-2010, 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris Yeates errrrrrrrmmmm sadly not, I'm afraid.....even with a microscope it can be quite a minefield.... | Thanks Chris, but oh dear, the dreaded "M" word again. 
I've logged it as Heboloma sp.
(Of course, what I really need, is a cheap, pocketable, dna analyser, incorporating complete onboard fungi of Great Britain dna database. ).
Regards,
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