shaggy parasols?id please?

[jeanette]

hi debs,
these stain red/browny when cut so we think we have ruled out m procera out of the equation,nick thinks that they are not c rhacodes,solus pretty sure they are not m konradii as the shape of the cap (photosaki) isn't pointed, very rounded,???

[NickCantle]

They may well just be a set of atypical Chlorophyllum rhacodes, just with that cap I was unsure. I'd expect a Shaggy Parasol to look something more like this;



I think there's a variation called Chlorophyllum rhacodes var. bohemica, but I know little to nothing about it

[Deb London]

Have a look at the US "varieties" down the bottom of that page. Now they don't really add up either, from what I have been led to believe about this species. But they have made it into Rogers. And just on for sheer size alone I'd rule out the others. Looks like the cap is over 25 cm on that image.

But I'm no expert. This is just a guess.

Rogers has a fantastic ID tool. I was trying to weigh up your "this is not a Wrinkled Peach" thread once, Nick. It lead me straight to the answer, but at the time, the pictures didn't look the same. When the answer was given, it was a "smack my head" moment. That site is set to get better now they are showing people's shots taken from around the globe.

[Deb London]

Originally Posted by jeanette

hi debs,
these stain red/browny when cut so we think we have ruled out m procera out of the equation,nick thinks that they are not c rhacodes,solus pretty sure they are not m konradii as the shape of the cap (photosaki) isn't pointed, very rounded,???

Oh, OK jeanette. Like I say, I know very little. I was mainly going on size, which is still a puzzle.

It's a very interesting fungus, jeanette! I will watch this thread with interest.

[jeanette]

i will try and get out with the camera again a little later, see if i can get some better images.

[Deb London]

Can you, I don't know, send a sample to Kew or wherever? Just a thought as I don't really know if people do this sort of thing.

[NickCantle]

Originally Posted by Deb London

Can you, I don't know, send a sample to Kew or wherever? Just a thought as I don't really know if people do this sort of thing.

A few members here send material to Kew I believe. It might be worth asking around as to what info you'll need to send it though, as they'll probably need every iota of detail before they even touch it

I'm moving slowly forward to thinking that it's Chlorophyllum rhacodes var bohemica

[Andy Overall]

Originally Posted by jeanette

i have found several rings/troops of these in a local copse,some are in excess of 10 - 11 inches.
pretty sure they are shaggy parasol,they go a red/brown colour when cut,have a hollow stipe,NO snakelike markings on stipe,some have a free ring,the larger they seem to get the less free they are,but the ring seems more double the larger the specimen.white spore print.
have found them forming in rings 12 - 15 ft across in dense woodland(however, a lack of conifers)

I think what you have there is Chrophyllum brunneum once known as Macrolepiota bohemica. It has very similar characterisitcs to the Shaggy Parasol, Chlorophyllum rhacodes except it has less of the heavy brown scaling and more white areas. It is also supposed to have a large marginate bulb at the base which I find varies between collections. Habitats tend to be different between the two, with the latter prefering pine and the former on rich humus soil and compost heaps This one a few groups of fungi that have actually been seperated by DNA testing.

Andy