molisia/lachnum and milkcaps?

[diggleken]

An interesting afternoon today, these were trooping around pines in a damp, dark area, about 2'' cap width max, decurrent, very orange all over, but couldnt get any milk...........

Then this which is similar but different gills, adnateish and salmony and twice as large........lovely apricot cap finish and colour.

Finally, on damp rotting nettles, this was most interesting, looks a bit like Mollisia or maybe Lachnum with yellow obvious fringe around the cap.

grateful for any help/steer with all, but partic the possible Lachnum .........not seen that at all before - and very pretty!
sorry for some pics,very dark.
Cheers
Ken

[SheffieldLass]

Try Hygrophoropsis aurantiaca (False chanterelle) for the first.

Melanie

And Laccaria laccata for the second ...

[diggleken]

Thanks a lot Melanie, I got hung up on milkcaps for some reason, even though no milk, dohhhh........
Deceiver, as ever with me, working its magic name, very very apricot was unlike what I know from before, but looks very sound, twisty stipe and so on.
Where's Andreas when you need him, or Chris.............they were in Yorkshire too...
Cheers
Ken

[SheffieldLass]

Originally Posted by diggleken

Thanks a lot Melanie, I got hung up on milkcaps for some reason, even though no milk, dohhhh........
Deceiver, as ever with me, working its magic name, very very apricot was unlike what I know from before, but looks very sound, twisty stipe and so on.
Where's Andreas when you need him, or Chris.............they were in Yorkshire too...
Cheers
Ken

Well the first does look rather like milkcap, at least from top view. Stem is not quite stocky enough, and gill attachment not quite neat enough. Had me briefly fooled when they were popping up round here a fortnight or so ago. And the Laccaria have also been trying to deceive me too. I swear they alter as the season progresses, to keep us on our toes.

Chris is bound to pop up soon, don't worry ...

Melanie

[Chris Yeates]

absolutely agree with Hygrophoropsis & Laccaria

the disco is almost certainly Belonidium sulphureum a classic nettle species (and note the pin-like structures of a Periconia sticking out of the bottom edge of the stem) - just an outside chance it's Lasiobelonium mollissimum which generally appears in the spring (up to July) - B. sulphureum is an August into autumn species (but one does find exceptions that haven't read the books ) - a glimpse of the spores separates them conclusively, but mollissimum is seldom this yellow, usually being a more straw colour

(both were once placed in Dascyscyphus of course)

cheers

Chris

[Chris Yeates]

Originally Posted by Chris Yeates

absolutely agree . . . .Laccaria

I would suspect possibility of L. proxima for the Laccaria, can't really see whether cap scaly or not though - need to check the spores to be totally happy . . .

cheers

Chris

[SheffieldLass]

Originally Posted by Chris Yeates

I would suspect possibility of L. proxima for the Laccaria, can't really see whether cap scaly or not though - need to check the spores to be totally happy . . .

cheers

Chris

How can you tell them apart by the spores?

Melanie

[Chris Yeates]

Originally Posted by SheffieldLass

How can you tell them apart by the spores?

Melanie

if there's a majority of globose spores and the cap lacks a scaly appearance then I think laccata . . . . . proxima always has broadly ellipsoid spores, a scaly cap and is generally more robust

this is why I get cross with the agarics - as you know - today looked at a hyphomycete from the same site, on native small-leaved lime . . . . two possibilities, but up to six septa on the conidiophores = Exosporium tiliae; the very similar Corynespora olivacea has shorter conidiophores with up to two septa on the conidiophores . . . . many of mine had four septa
sorted!

and don't get me going with agaric keys that ask you "cap greyish-brown or brownish-grey"

Chris

[SheffieldLass]

Originally Posted by Chris Yeates

if there's a majority of globose spores and the cap lacks a scaly appearance then I think laccata . . . . . proxima always has broadly ellipsoid spores, a scaly cap and is generally more robust

Chris

Useful to know, thanks.

Originally Posted by Chris Yeates

this is why I get cross with the agarics - as you know - today looked at a hyphomycete from the same site, on native small-leaved lime . . . . two possibilities, but up to six septa on the conidiophores = Exosporium tiliae; the very similar Corynespora olivacea has shorter conidiophores with up to two septa on the conidiophores . . . . many of mine had four septa
sorted!

and don't get me going with agaric keys that ask you "cap greyish-brown or brownish-grey"

Chris

The agarics should learn to be better behaved (or the keys improved ....)

Melanie

[diggleken]

A great big TA to everyone.
Interesting Chris, I was going to suggest L proxima as an alternative - this one was in a wet acidic heathery area, on its own and is taller than I'm used to with laccata, but what surprised me was the cap was strongly felty, like touching an apricot...........any help?
Also, would you like the dried disco on nettle stem, I have it ready to go if you do!
Wandered around there again today between showers, first waxcap nestling in thistles was blackening, plus a yellow one, I need to do some more work on that first though, plus unbelievable numbers of The Blusher and Larch bolete.
Got a better pic of the false chanterelles too - they are gorgeous.
Cheers
Ken