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09-08-2010, 06:46 PM
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| | | Re: When is a tree not a tree? now the Amanita
in the field:
it was in shade and I think that the pink flush is not quite right, this scanned image two days after collecting is truer, but it has definitely darkened with time:
no evidence of a ring on any of them - rabbits (or some other creature) had knocked them over and it was impossible to get features of any volva - the base was exceptionally friable; these were not growing on the exposed tops shown in the first photo but were on a sparsely wooded slope in an open area dominated by Helianthemum, which I felt certain was the mycorrhizal partner - the nearest trees were (native) Tilia cordata and limes are not well-known mycorrhiza-formers (though I know there are exceptions like Scleroderma bovista which is often found with limes)
the spores were typical broadly ellipsoid to subglobose Amanita spores:
though at 7.3-9.2 x 6.8-7.3µm definitely on the small size Amanita - away from the better-known ones - is not an area I feel confident in; the only one I know without a ring and with scales on the cap is A. ceciliae and I'm sure it isn't that
so . . . suggestions gratefully received
only the Cortinarius to go, but I think I'll leave that to tomorrow (I've got a Panaeolus and a Lactarius - from a different habitat on this site - and they seem strangely tempting, not to mention all my micro's); people who don't do the microscopy probably have very little idea of how much time and effort goes into this lark - the truth is mycology ain't easy - worlds apart from botany and birdwatching
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10-08-2010, 08:03 PM
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| | | Re: When is a tree not a tree? ok
here comes the last one - definitely a mycorrhizal one again:
a Cortinarius - a genus I encounter relatively rarely and then usually the species of acidic habitats; here is the scanned image:
some years ago and a few miles east of this Carperby site, near Preston-under-Scar, I found what I was sure was Cortinarius anomalus in the self-same Helianthemum biotope:
it's a well-known Helianthemum partner, but this latest one showed only a hint of the lilac colour associated with C. anomalus - a slight flush on some of the caps but scarcely any on the stems
I know Andreas is very busy at the moment, but he has told me he'll weigh in with his opinions later in the week; but as ever anyone is free to comment
cheers
Chris
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10-08-2010, 08:33 PM
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| | | Re: When is a tree not a tree? Quote:
Originally Posted by RobSutton I've just had a go at this with the provisional new Keys to Inocybe available from Penny Cullington (as advertised in Field Mycology a few issues ago). Assuming it smelt of marzipan it came down to I.hirtella. I tried following the key further assuming no smell of marzipan (or Pelargonium later on) and came to and stopped at I.mycenoides which they note as being from a single collection associated with Helianthemum and as having a "stipe with pink or reddish tinges in mid-region but whitish below". Spore sizes seem to fit length wise (8.5 - 10.5) but a bit narrow for their width (5.5 - 6.5) | Colleagues at work report a pleasant fungussy smell with a slight sweetish note but nothing like marzipan or Pelargonium - I've been in contact with Penny re: this, and have now posted the specimens to her
so I. mycenoides seems a possible here (Andreas has dismissed I. hirtella - and the absence of a distinct smell would support that)
cheers Rob
Chris
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12-08-2010, 11:47 PM
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| | | Re: When is a tree not a tree? Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris Yeates OK they aren't getting any easier  (actually Hygrocybe pratensis, meadow waxcap, and Clitopilus prunulus, the miller - after a quick check of the spores - and both from this same habitat were straightforward)
this is an Inocybe (a mycorrhizal genus, of course - unlike the two mentioned above):
the upper portion of the stem had a distinctive pale pinkish/lilaceous flush:
and scanned - to show cap colour (which was not unlike I. rimosa, I suppose) - stem minutely pruinose down its entire length (though the pinkish flush barely noticeable after two days in the fridge - this why one must note these fleeting characters in the field), and with an emarginate bulb:
under the microscope, the gills had abundant metuloids:
basidia were (all?) 4-spored - wish I'd checked when I first got them back, and not when most of the basidia had ripened - basidiospores were mostly almond-shaped and 8.3-10.5 x 4.3-5.6µm:
using Funga Nordica I have come up with a tentative ID of Inocybe hirtella, but as my sense of smell is pretty poor these days I am going to have to take it into work tomorrow and inflict it on my colleagues  , as that seems to be an important character from here in. Imagine if you had to smell tiny discomycetes to identify them  !) | hi
Andreas has been in contact and says that he discounts Inocybe hirtella based on the coloration of the stem - it would appear that Funga Nordica's "stem . . . .often slightly pink at the top" might indicate that they have a different concept of hirtella; in addition everyone I have asked to smell it has said slightly sweetish, pleasantly mushroomy, but without a hint of marzipan or Pelargonium . . . .
I have sent the collection to Penny Cullington who is making an in-depth study of Inocybe, and indeed has studied Inocybe species in this rock-rose habitat (and to whom I am very indebted for putting in a lot of time and effort on this)
she also has dismissed Inocybe hirtella, and then the more likely candidate Inocybe mycenoides (based on cystidium shape and measurements) . . . . the remaining options appear to be Inocybe muricellata - which should have a cap that soon breaks up into scales (which this one hasn't, though otherwise close - it's a species never recorded with Helianthemum as a mycorrhizal host, though that may not mean a lot) or quite possibly an undescribed species
watch this space
Chris
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