Little & Large -Two for ID Help Please

Lancashire Lad · #1 (**permalink**) 18-07-2010, 12:16 AM

Found yesterday, but going around in circles trying to get anywhere with IDs: -

No. 1 - A few of these seemed to be attached to rotting twig debris under the (mainly) Oak/Beech leaf litter, but the remainder appeared to be just growing from the soil/leaf litter itself.

Cap sizes to approx. 45mm, Stipe heights to approx.70mm in all.
Cinnamon brown, becoming pale white-ish towards margins of more mature examples.

Stipe bases slightly swollen/downy.

No. 2 - You may have noticed the very tiny fruitbodies growing on the leaflitter (towards bottom left hand side) in the third photo above.

These seemed to be all over the woodland floor, growing mainly on very thin rotting twigs, and midrib veins of Oak & Beech leaves, but quite a few were growing on the remains of leaf laminas.

Literally thousands of these things, none of which were more than 1mm in diameter.

Managed to get a (not very good) shot of this one on a small twig.

Any ID's suggestions will be much appreciated.

Regards,
Mike.

Chris Yeates · #2 (**permalink**) 18-07-2010, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Lancashire Lad

. . .These seemed to be all over the woodland floor, growing mainly on very thin rotting twigs, and midrib veins of Oak & Beech leaves, but quite a few were growing on the remains of leaf laminas.

Literally thousands of these things, none of which were more than 1mm in diameter.

Managed to get a (not very good) shot of this one on a small twig.

Any ID's suggestions will be much appreciated.

Regards,
Mike.

I think you're looking at a Hymenoscyphus there; H. caudatus or H. albopunctus are perhaps the likeliest candidates, but there are others, separated chiefly by the characteristics of the spores

cheers

Chris

Lancashire Lad · #3 (**permalink**) 18-07-2010, 10:44 AM

Thanks Chris, once again you are almost certainly correct.

From what I've been able to find online following your suggestions, (and just going on images), of the two, H.caudatus seems to be closest with the macro characteristics.

But I accept your remark that it would be down to microscopy to make a proper species determination.

Thanks again.

Regards,
Mike.

EDIT - PS: Anyone have any thoughts on the ID of the first fungus ?

alge · #4 (**permalink**) 18-07-2010, 11:08 AM

Hello mike,

At risk of missing something obvious that you didn't,

hence your walking in circles, the first thing i thought of was something around Collybia butyracea. I found it a lot last year while on forays with more learned enthusiasts and your habitat description is spot on.

The cap and stem description both are within the realm of the Butter cap and the third image of the more mature example has the grooved stem that I associate with Collybia.

I'm sure you would be advised to hang out for a expert response and if it isn't a C. butyracea then i will be keen to see what it is and why.

Alex

Andy Overall · #5 (**permalink**) 18-07-2010, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by alge

Hello mike,

At risk of missing something obvious that you didn't,

hence your walking in circles, the first thing i thought of was something around Collybia butyracea. I found it a lot last year while on forays with more learned enthusiasts and your habitat description is spot on.

The cap and stem description both are within the realm of the Butter cap and the third image of the more mature example has the grooved stem that I associate with Collybia.

I'm sure you would be advised to hang out for a expert response and if it isn't a C. butyracea then i will be keen to see what it is and why.

Alex

Collybia is the obvious genus that comes to mind with species No. 1 but not C. butyracea, more along the lines or closer to C. dryophila, such as C. aquosa.

Andy

alge · #6 (**permalink**) 18-07-2010, 11:47 AM

And there you go

Chris Yeates · #7 (**permalink**) 18-07-2010, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by alge

And there you go

hey ho!

to my eyes the reasons it isn't Rhodocollybia butyracea include that pinkish colour, no evidence of a transparent margin with accompanying striate appearance, the lack of a clear umbo and the gill attachment . . . .

cheers

Chris

alge · #8 (**permalink**) 18-07-2010, 12:27 PM

I wouldn't want to hijack mikes thread, so just a quick thanks for the pointers.

alex

SheffieldLass · #9 (**permalink**) 18-07-2010, 12:34 PM

I was going to suggest Gymnopus dryophilus or closely related, too. I'm getting a few of those around at the moment, under birch. I've got some to double-check as they were with/near G dryophilus but the stem and cap were a bit more orange, so possibly a related one, though maybe just on the more orange end of the G dryopohilus colour range.

Melanie