blackfoot polypore and mystery leaf litter mushroom

[lipase]

I stumbled across these the other day whilst out by a river collecting Gammerus pulex to breed. I had a guess at blackfoot polypore for the first one, growing on hidden wood in a small deciduous wooded area:



But the other one I didn't know where to start because flicking through my mushroom guide it looks like a number of different mushrooms does anyone have any insight on either of these mushrooms!?

Here's the second mushroom, I found it growing on leaf litter underneath a hawthorn tree (I think). There were about 20 of them growing in an area about 1m by 2m both on their own and in small groups of upto about 4. They were fairly small mushrooms, the caps not much bigger than 4cm diameter and stipes about the same. Believe it or not; all these pictures are of what I think was the same species, just at different points in the fruit body's development:

[Lancashire Lad]

Hi lipase,

I'll have a stab at Tubaria hiemalis for the second, because their look and habitat is similar to these, which I found recently: -

Two for ID Help Please

Regards,
Mike

[mollisia]

Hello,

I have the same opinion as Mike: Tubaria hiemalis.
The first one is an old Polyporus leptocephalus (= P. varius).

best regards,
Andreas

[Chris Yeates]

Originally Posted by mollisia

Hello,

I have the same opinion as Mike: Tubaria hiemalis.
best regards,
Andreas

surely Tubaria hiemalis is long gone as a good species, distinct from T. furfuracea? . . . . .

Chris

[mollisia]

Originally Posted by Chris Yeates

surely Tubaria hiemalis is long gone as a good species, distinct from T. furfuracea? . . . . .

Chris

Hello Chris,

probably they are the same. I'm not too sure about it. I have the feeling that there are different ones in summer and in winter. But it's just a feeling, I have no clear distinctions, just some "here more, there less" ...

best regards,
Andreas

[lipase]

Thanks Mike and Andreas for your opinions, and Chris for your comment!
I should start using latin names really, I just find them hard to remember.

I might have a look under the microscope at the 'Cheilocystidia' and take a couple of pictures.

This guy also sounds unsure about how to (or whether to) distiguish them:

Tubaria

[cybershot]

From the entry in the British Checklist for Tubaria furfuracea we get an endorsement for all the above commentary:

"Tubaria furfuracea (Pers.) Gillet, Hyménomycètes (Alençon): 538 (1874)

Agaricus furfuraceus Pers., Syn. meth. fung. (Göttingen) 2: 454 (1801)
Naucoria furfuracea (Pers.) P. Kumm., Führ. Pilzk. (Zwickau): 77 (1871)
Tubaria furfuracea (Pers.) Gillet, Hyménomycètes (Alençon): 538 (1874) var. furfuracea
Tubaria hiemalis Romagn. ex Bon, Doc. Mycol. 8(no. 8): 5 (1973)

Habitat: On wood (fallen twigs, sticks, woodchips etc.) in deciduous woodland, parks, and gardens.

Notes: Very common and widespread. T. hiemalis is sometimes considered a separate species, characterised by fruiting during the winter and by the more broadly capitate cheilocystidia and has been widely reported from Yorkshire southwards."

[mollisia]

Originally Posted by lipase

This guy also sounds unsure about how to (or whether to) distiguish them:

Tubaria

Hello,

not only seems to, but indeed IS unsure - the Tubaria confragosa is never ever this species, but also something from the furfuracea-group.
Tubaria confragosa has different colours and a well visible ring. It has a look a little bit similar to Armillariella ostoyae!

Here is a very typical picture, though the scales are not always that impressive:
http://www.cegep-sept-iles.qc.ca/ray...confragosa.JPG

And another one, which is a little bit unusually reddish, but still in the colour range:
http://mycologie.catalogne.free.fr/I...confragosa.jpg

best regards,
Andreas

[lipase]

Found it difficult to look at this under the microscope...
I tried looking at the spore 'sprouting' edge of a singular gill but only a few structures there which were difficult to distinguish. I think I tried 400x, 200x and 50x although it may have been 100x instead of 200x.
Not really sure how to get the best results. I was seeing spores at 400x (with a different species of mushroom) so I assumed that was too far to go really if I am wanting to look at the Cheilocystidia?!

[flaxton]

This is what you are looking for at a slightly higher magnification



At 400x magnification you should expect to see this (this photo is of strobilurus cystidia as I don't have any tubaria at 400x but they are a good guide to the size you should see )



Mal