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11-12-2009, 09:37 PM
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| | | Which Lycoperdon?
Hi all,
Im presuming this is Lycoperdon Sp. but not sure which one can some one point me in the right direction please   
It was amongst mainly Pine but Oak and Beech were present,it was about 5-6cm wide and about the same high. |
11-12-2009, 10:24 PM
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| | | Re: Which Lycoperdon?
This will probably turn out to be a rare Lycoperdon we will never know about.
I have been carefully going through 'British Puffballs, Earthstars and Stinkhorns' produced by Kew, and the nearest look-a-like is a mature Vascellum pratense, but it cannot be this as it is a dry, grassland species.
Anyway, you definitely have a Lycoperdon, but whenever I come to a photo similar to yours with a similar habitat, it always says "Rare, probably overlooked"
So, not having any microscopic features to go on I don't think this can be taken further, unless anyone else wants to come in with a suggestion.
I would consider sending this to Kew with the photos taken, a grid ref, a full habitat description, date of find and an SAE for a reply.
Neil. |
11-12-2009, 10:33 PM
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| | | Re: Which Lycoperdon?
It is difficult to say from your photo:
Probably not L. pyriforme as this is pear shaped and grows on wood.
Most likely either L. perlatum or L. nigrescens:
L.perlatum has non-converging spines conical spines
L.nigrescens has groups of thinner spines converging at their tips.
Peter
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12-12-2009, 12:03 AM
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| | | Re: Which Lycoperdon?
L.nigrescens is a possibility, but where are the distinctive dark, exoperidial spines which gives it it's name ? although they do not stay forever, but I have never seen one in this seemingly 'colapsed' state before.
Also it 'normally' prefers acidic grassy areas.
Neil. |
12-12-2009, 12:17 AM
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| | | Re: Which Lycoperdon?
Permission to come aboard with another similar specimen of the same stamp found recently in grass on heathland which I had down as Lycoperdon pratense until reading this thread:  |
12-12-2009, 07:07 AM
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| | | Re: Which Lycoperdon?
Quote:
Originally Posted by cybershot  Permission to come aboard with another similar specimen of the same stamp found recently in grass on heathland which I had down as Lycoperdon pratense until reading this thread: | The picture looks good but its habitat is on grass,this one was in woods,no where near any grassland at all  |
12-12-2009, 07:32 AM
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| | | Re: Which Lycoperdon?
Just been looking on the web and found L.Umbrinum?
Description sounds good and found in Coniferous
Found this pic Puffball (Lycoperdon umbrinum) on Flickr - Photo Sharing! |
12-12-2009, 07:40 AM
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| | | Re: Which Lycoperdon?
The more i look the more confused i get
Ive now found this as another possibilty L.molle Rogers Mushrooms - Lycoperdon molle Mushroom |
12-12-2009, 10:38 AM
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| | | Re: Which Lycoperdon?
Quote: Keith,
The more i look the more confused i get
Exactly ! It's flipping difficult, now with David's shot, I wouldn't want to commit myself without seeing a view from above confirming it is not perfectly round, but slightly oval shaped.
Also, it would be a lot easier in the field, as there is a likelihood there will be old 'spent' specimens nearby to confirm your suspicions.
Neil. |
13-12-2009, 09:16 AM
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| | | Re: Which Lycoperdon?
Ive just had an email back form the Hampshire Fungus Recording Group that might of interest,
' The fact that there is a net appearance on the surface where the spines are brushed off puts it into the perlatum / echinatum / nigrescens group and
this one is perlatum that has browned a bit with age. (the echinatum spines
are very long and each 'spine' in nigrescens is made of three coming
together). ' | | | |
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