Clumber Fungi ID help please

[jaybie]

These were found growing on the ground close to an Oak with pines in the vicinity. The largest cap is 4cm across and is scaly, dry to the touch. Gills/flesh quite tough but there is no real smell to them that I could detect.



These indoor shots have affected the colour slightly giving the caps a brownish colour cast.



Any help appreciated.

JohnB

[Ditiola]

I would start with Tricholoma

Peter

[fairplay]

Tricholoma terreum is what immediately comes to mind, but there are signs it may be something else within the same genus.

Neil.

[thebeard]

i found some similar to this today in the wooded area at my university campus amongst birch and pine growing in grass, i can only assume they are the same, and yeh i'd agree on Tricholoma but as to which i don't know!

there were loads, about 100, most had been kicked about by students though



tom

[jaybie]

Thanks for the responses ..

Originally Posted by fairplay

Tricholoma terreum is what immediately comes to mind, but there are signs it may be something else within the same genus.

Neil.

Neil - what would be the "signs" that would indicate this to you?

Originally Posted by thebeard

i found some similar to this today in the wooded area at my university campus amongst birch and pine growing in grass, i can only assume they are the same, and yeh i'd agree on Tricholoma but as to which i don't know!

tom

Tom - They look pretty similar to me as well and growing in similar conditions with the pines but I suppose that there is every chance they are not.

JohnB

[fairplay]

There are similarities with T.scalpturatum and a few others, but T.terreum should be almost odourless with a mild taste.

The photo in Phillips is more brown than it should be, this may be local variation, rather than studio lighting.

Overall, these do look like typical T.terreum, but the Tricholomataceae is another large group, so what I am really saying is don't jump to conclusions just on a suggestion, you have to do a bit of work such as a smell and taste test.

Neil.

[jaybie]

Originally Posted by fairplay

There are similarities with T.scalpturatum and a few others, but T.terreum should be almost odourless with a mild taste.

The photo in Phillips is more brown than it should be, this may be local variation, rather than studio lighting.

Overall, these do look like typical T.terreum, but the Tricholomataceae is another large group, so what I am really saying is don't jump to conclusions just on a suggestion, you have to do a bit of work such as a smell and taste test.

Neil.

Thanks Neil, I was just interested in your thoughts. I understand that it takes more than a couple of photographs to enable yourself and others to identify anything other than genus.

With regard to this one there was no smell and no real taste to it. The colour in the outdoor picture is much closer to the actual than the ones under incandescent light.

Out of interest here is the spore print.



I appreciate the help I have received in this forum, it has helped me to know where to look further using Phillips (my only book at the moment) and the internet.

Still on a steep learning curve.

JohnB

[fairplay]

Hi JohnB,

I think a little too much emphasis has been placed on spore prints in the past, and in the case of the genus Tricholoma, all species produce white or whitish spores, so a print in this case just helps to confirm the genus - actually it doesn't, because on my computer screen (or maybe the way my eyes see the colour) the spores look definitely lilac, but this may be an optical illusion against the green carpet or is that a punk dog ?

Neil.