ID help

[RobSutton]

I'm taking advantage of some poor weather to try and tidy up all my fungi ID's for our annual report and came across this one. I realise this is a longshot as I don't have much for you to go on.



It was a chance find as I was walking back from work one afternoon and luckily had my camera with me but I didn't bother collecting any specimens for further work as I was off on holiday for ten days the next day so knew I wouldn't have much time to do anything with it.

The only things to help are the photo, it had no distinct smell and the cap was about 8cm across. It was growing in leaf litter under Beech on Limestone. I'd be happy with just a genus for this so I can try it down next year if it reappears.

Thanks, as always, in advance for any ideas.

[fairplay]

Ah, now with those serrated gill edges, this has to be .......um .......um,
I think you have beaten the panel this time Rob, you can claim your prize.

Neil.

[RobSutton]

Originally Posted by fairplay

Ah, now with those serrated gill edges, this has to be .......um .......um,
I think you have beaten the panel this time Rob, you can claim your prize.

Neil.

Thanks Neil - that's as far as I got with it. I thought I was chancing my arm with this one, but nothing ventured nothing gained

[NickCantle]

Hebeloma?

[fairplay]

That was my first thought too Nick, but these gills would have to be called 'fringed edges' - to me, they seem clearly serrated and I can't find anything in Hebeloma that fits the bill.

Neil.

[NickCantle]

Nah, nor can I, but I thought I'd say it anyway

[RobSutton]

It was the serrated edges to the gills they made be think I might just have a chance with this one but I've been through every book I've got and even tried googling "serrated gills" and wading through lots of web images but to no avail. Lesson learnt from this - if I don't have time to do it properly ignore it.

[ohgreatstew]

I feel a bit out of my depth here but I am an enthusiastic beginner so thought I would chip in....
I think this could be Cortinarius (phlegmacium) balteatus, both the specimens in the pictures appear to be missing the ochre veil on the stem, and the cap is not quite right but that could be a result of something having had a munch, the gills look right in the picture I have, (Rodger Phillips Mushrooms p183) although there is no mention of the serrated gills as such, but looking closely in the picture it seems to me there are signs....., otherwise dimensions and general characteristics seem right.

Stewart

[fairplay]

That's a very valid suggestion Stewart, now all you have to do is buy a very good microscope (as Cortinarius spores are very intricate) and some very expensive reference books, and Bob's yer uncle.

It's been said that if you send Cortinarius species to Kew for an ID, they get 'put on the back burner' as they are so time consuming to investigate.

Neil.

[Alantb]

Hi Rob -?? Agaricus?? - but the gill attachment is wrong. There is Leucocortinarius bulbiger but that I think has much closer gills.
I looked at Mycokey and it seemed to indicate Tricholomella constricta - there is a pic in Google which looks vaguely right (should be paler) and it has been found in Yorkshire. But it's only guesswork.
Try looking on the web pics and see what you think.
Cheers, Alan