Hygrocybe ?

[BarbaraEmma]

I found these locally yesterday on the bank of a small river,on what I would describe as scrubland.This is probably very easy but not for me.I've looked at Hygrocybe coccinea but apparently the gills are meant to be bright red and these are not,but the stem is the same colour as the cap so that would fit.I've looked at other Waxcaps but I can't make my mind up, think I'll leave it to someone else to ID please.Sorry the one photo is terrible but I was sinking in mud at the time .Thanks Barbara.

[BarbaraEmma]

Is the reason no one has replied because my photo didn't help enough for an ID ?I can perhaps get some more (better) photos if it stops raining tomorrow.Thanks Barbara

[SheffieldLass]

Probably no reply as yet because these orangy-red ones are not that easy ...

I think you may have two different ones there. The top photo looks quite like H coccinea, though the caps appear to be perhaps a bit more translucent than usual. H coccinea often has yellow gills. A better photo would help though as the cap surface of H coccinea is distinctive . Also if you are going back, to check out whether the cap and stipe is viscid or lubricous.

The lower picture is not H coccinea. Yours have a central translucent dimple/eye to the cap. However a few orangey Hygrocybe species have that. I check them microscopically to reach an id I'm confident with. They may be H insipida, or possibly H ceracea, or H glutinipes. Ditto about checking cap and stipe to see if viscid.

Melanie

[mollisia]

Hello,

indeed those are usually not determinable from foto with certainty.

For the first foto, I don't think it is H. coccinea. Those very young fruitbodies should be more red then those orange fruitbodies. But I have no better solution. May be this is that enigmatic H. marchii ss. orig., non REID.

The 2nd shows a small species with colour range from yellow to reddish orange. My first thought were "could be glutinipes, or may be even insipida". Same thoughts had Melania, so this can't be too wrong. I would rule out H. ceracea, which I only know being pure yellow-citrin. But to determine this species, one has at least to know whether the stipe was glutinous, sticky or dry - same with the cap.

Watch out, this biotop certainly brings up more Hygrocybe species than those two you showed! And have a look also on Ramariopsis and Clavulinopsis species as well as on Geoglossum ...

best regards,
Andreas

[SheffieldLass]

Originally Posted by mollisia

For the first foto, I don't think it is H. coccinea. Those very young fruitbodies should be more red then those orange fruitbodies. But I have no better solution. May be this is that enigmatic H. marchii ss. orig., non REID.

I would rule out H. ceracea, which I only know being pure yellow-citrin ...

best regards,
Andreas

I'd love to see a definitive H marchii .... I've come across quite a few that I think could be, but apart from being orange-red seem very like H coccinea microscopically so I'm not sure which they are

Interesting that you only get H ceracea as pure yellow-citrine. I get H ceracea from yellow to rather orange. I've just checked Boertmann and he describes them as yellow to orange yellow, rarely orange. The photo in his monograph shows ones that are rather orange. Luckily the spore size and shape (nearly all waisted) makes them fairly easy to id so I'm reassured (I think ) that I've not misdentified those of mine .

Melanie

[Fungalpunk]

Miniata or cantharellus for the first one perhaps - a very difficult area the Hygrocybe family.

Fungalpunk Dave

[BarbaraEmma]

Hello,I got soaked yesterday but managed to get some photos,not very good ones.These were all bright orangey-red when I first saw them.


I hope this photo is good enough to show the flesh is a light yellow colour,neither the cap nor the stipe seemed to be at all sticky just shiny( and wet from the rain.)



The largest are approx 5cms. and by then they are beginning to change colour.



I think all these photos and both of the photos from the original post show the same fungi.

Thank you for your interest.Barbara

[mollisia]

Hello,

nice fotos. I'm not sure whether those are one of the two you posted before, or whether those are a third species. I think they are another thing at least as the 2nd species from the initial posting, but may be they are the same as the first species in your first posting.
I really don't know. If all those three pictures are the same species, only H. glutinipes is known to me with such a broad range of variation.

It is quite usual that many species of Hygrocybe grow in the same place, often intermixed.

best regards,
Andreas

[BarbaraEmma]

Thank you Andreas ,so from what you are saying ,although these are growing very close together they could still be more than one species.Without being microscopically examined it is not going to be possible to get an exact ID.
Perhaps I will have to settle for Hygrocybe sp. possibly glutinipes or miniata, I am very grateful for all the help you have all given.Thanks Barbara

[mollisia]

Hello,

it is certainly not H. miniata, which has a dry and scaly cap.

best regards,
Andreas