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07-11-2009, 04:56 PM
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| | | Lactarius quieticolor?
Found under Larch in Brede High woods this afternoon. Initially spotted by Dave (pressld2), prompted by Dave (Looking) to check the gills. I found it in Roger Phillips and cut the stem to check the colouring. We can't find anything similar but are doubting our identification because it is listed as "Rare, vulnerable on Red Data list"
If we are wrong what else could it be as nothing else seems to have the same distinct orange when cut?    |
07-11-2009, 05:58 PM
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| | | Re: Lactarius quieticolor?
Could be Lactarius deliciosus.
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07-11-2009, 06:16 PM
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| | | Re: Lactarius quieticolor?
Could also be L. Deterrimus. |
07-11-2009, 06:20 PM
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| |  Re: Lactarius quieticolor?
Could be, Nick. 
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07-11-2009, 06:31 PM
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Who knows Tim!  |
07-11-2009, 06:36 PM
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Not me, thats for sure!! 
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07-11-2009, 06:53 PM
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| | | Re: Lactarius quieticolor?
LOL! Well you two are not much help! You're supposed to be saying "Yes, that's definitely L. quieticolor - nice find!"
Dave P.
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07-11-2009, 07:01 PM
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| | | Re: Lactarius quieticolor?
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Originally Posted by timhale197200  Could be Lactarius deliciosus. | NickCantle
Re: Lactarius quieticolor?
Could also be L. Deterrimus.
like what you did there fellas
here is a pair of Lactarius deterrimus/deliciosus that we found today does it have any other names? 
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07-11-2009, 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by pressld2 LOL! Well you two are not much help! You're supposed to be saying "Yes, that's definitely L. quieticolor - nice find!"
Dave P. | It's definately not L. quieticolor which is always near Quercus 
I'm with Nick
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07-11-2009, 07:09 PM
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That's our find of the day out of the window then. |
07-11-2009, 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Jackson That's our find of the day out of the window then. | Still a very nice find though Mike 
L. quieticolor has a very unpleasant smell btw
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07-11-2009, 07:14 PM
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One of many today. I did think it was unlikely to be finding a red data fungus. I should have waited and let Dave get egg on his face . |
07-11-2009, 07:14 PM
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Yes, it is a nice find.
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07-11-2009, 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by FungiJohn It's definately not L. quieticolor which is always near Quercus
John | *Whispers* 
That's not what it says in the Fungi A-Z...
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07-11-2009, 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by solus *Whispers*
That's not what it says in the Fungi A-Z... | Ssshhhuuussshhh not a word to Mike, I was looking at Lactarius quietus
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07-11-2009, 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by FungiJohn L. quieticolor has a very unpleasant smell btw
John | Forget that too Mike I'm still with Nick's suggestion of L. deterrimus
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07-11-2009, 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by FungiJohn Still a very nice find though Mike
L. quieticolor has a very unpleasant smell btw
John | Definitely no nasty smell although I did kneel in something fairly unpleasant. |
07-11-2009, 07:40 PM
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| | | Re: Lactarius quieticolor?
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Originally Posted by FungiJohn Ssshhhuuussshhh not a word to Mike, I was looking at Lactarius quietus | I was just about to say something... but you got in there first.
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07-11-2009, 07:45 PM
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| | | Re: Lactarius quieticolor?
I find these difficult when I have them in my hand, let alone trying to identify from a photo. And really you need to know how the flesh changes colour with time e.g. does it stay orange or go wine red or green.
They are all mycorrhizal species so knowing the associated tree helps a lot. However, none of these species is a larch associate, so saying it was growing under larch doesn't help in narrowing down the options.
That said, the needles and cone visible in the photos are actually 2-needle pine. L. deterrimus tends to be more of a spruce associate, so unless there are any spruce trees around, Lactarius deliciosus is a significant possibility. The zonate cap and scrobiculate stem could well point to L. deliciosus.
I've only ever seen L. quieticolor in Scotland and it is rare. I can't say I could identify it from a photo alone. I'd need more information, myself, but it seems unlikely.
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07-11-2009, 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by alge here is a pair of Lactarius deterrimus/deliciosus that we found today does it have any other names?
alex | My Collins lists deterrimus and deliciosus as seperate species, not synonyms. From the photos and descriptions given I'd say ours is more likely to be deterrimus - mainly the stipe which has a white collar and should be more pitted for deliciosus. Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike Jackson I should have waited and let Dave get egg on his face . | Don't worry Mike, I'll have plenty of egg before the week is out - the Russula sardonia might do it!
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07-11-2009, 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by pressld2 My Collins lists deterrimus and deliciosus as seperate species, not synonyms. From the photos and descriptions given I'd say ours is more likely to be deterrimus - mainly the stipe which has a white collar and should be more pitted for deliciosus. | The Basidiomycota Checklist says for Lactarius deterrimus:
"Habitat: On soil in woodland (usually plantations) and strictly associated with Picea spp."
So you need to know if there was any spruce around in addition to the pine.
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07-11-2009, 08:13 PM
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| | | Re: Lactarius quieticolor?
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Originally Posted by pressld2 My Collins lists deterrimus and deliciosus as seperate species, not synonyms. From the photos and descriptions given I'd say ours is more likely to be deterrimus - mainly the stipe which has a white collar and should be more pitted for deliciosus. | Looking at the photos in Fungi of Northern Europe: The genus Lactarius, both species can have a paler collar at the top of the stem so that isn't diagnostic. Also if you look at the middle specimen of the three, the stem is quite clearly scrobiculate (i.e. pitted). The flesh of Lactarius deterrimus would also change colour from orange to red within a few minutes, but we don't have this information on colour changes available. And I can't see any signs of the typical greenish bruising you might expect on that species. So I still have my doubts.
Ken |
07-11-2009, 08:24 PM
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Thanks Ken. Quote:
Originally Posted by Ken Burgess The flesh of Lactarius deterrimus would also change colour from orange to red within a few minutes, but we don't have this information on colour changes available. And I can't see any signs of the typical greenish bruising you might expect on that species. So I still have my doubts. | We were photographing it for at least five minutes after cutting it (mainly due to me wrestling with my tripod! ) and didn't see any sign of it changing to red. Nor did we see any greenish bruising. I'm afraid I'm not very good with broad-leaved trees and am hopeless with conifers so can't answer the spruce question.
Dave P.
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07-11-2009, 08:35 PM
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| | | Re: Lactarius quieticolor?
going solely on my own experience with these two species,
if the flesh shown on the cut sample was that colour when it was cut, then I would plump for L.deterrimus,
as the flesh of L.deliciosus is usually a more yellowish colour at first,
the flesh of L.deterrimus usually goes a purplish shade after about 15 minutes and then slowly turns a red shade after a while,
also all the L.deterrminus I have found have been with spruce, and what few L.deliciosus I have found have been with pine,
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07-11-2009, 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by gleditsa also all the L.deterrminus I have found have been with spruce, and what few L.deliciosus I have found have been with pine,
j. | ... and the cone and all the needles in the photos are pine, rather than spruce. Which is one of the reasons why I'm still not convinced it's L. deterrimus.
Ken
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