Struggling to ID These Three

[Lancashire Lad]

When I found these three today, I was fairly confident that they should be identifiable.
All three seem to have some distinctive features, but I'm not making any headway.

No.1 - Found in deep shade under (mainly) Birch, and growing from woody debris amongst leaf litter.
Cap about 25mm across, stipe about 150mm tall. The third photo shows the smaller fruitbody that can be seen in the background of the first photo.
They look "mottlegill-ish", but I can't find anything similar.


No.2 - Found under Birch, growing from leaf litter.
Cap diameters about 15mm, stipe heights about 40-50mm


No.3 - Growing on a small fallen & decaying branch.
Fruitbodies appear disc-like. Individual ones being about 4-5mm diameter.
Unlike Bisporella citrina, Tremella mesenterica & Dacrymyces stillatus etc.
To me, the fruitbodies seem to have a Hymenoscyphus-ish sort of shape.


Any pointers towards ID will be gratefully received.

Regards,
Mike.

[Chris Yeates]

hi

top one is a Psathyrella

middle I thought was Clitocybe - but are those veil remnants?

last one doesn't (I'm afraid to say) look anything like a Hymenoscyphus - where's the stem? . . . . the overall shape is too irregular . . . . don't forget there are several other Dacrymyces species (around another 15 in the UK) apart from stillatus

cheers

Chris

[Lancashire Lad]

Cheers Chris,

Looking on Bioimages, Psathyrella conopilus looks to be a potential contender for No.1.

I think that they are veil remnants - all four of the caps had them to varying extent.

Do youi think that No.3 is likely to be one of these other Dacrymyces sp. ?

Regards,
Mike.

[Ken Burgess]

I suspect that number 2 is Clitocybe metachroa and the appearance of veil remnants is caused by infection with another fungus. If you inspect the gills of at least a couple of specimens closely you can see tell-tale hyphae crossing over them.

Ken

[Ken Burgess]

Originally Posted by Lancashire Lad

Looking on Bioimages, Psathyrella conopilus looks to be a potential contender for No.1.

If it is, this is one you should be able to confirm in the field with a hand lens. If you get the cap at the right angle to the light you should be able to see lots of setae (i.e. stiff hair-like projections) sticking out from the cap surface.

Ken

[Lancashire Lad]

Hi Ken,

Originally Posted by Ken Burgess

I suspect that number 2 is Clitocybe metachroa and the appearance of veil remnants is caused by infection with another fungus. If you inspect the gills of at least a couple of specimens closely you can see tell-tale hyphae crossing over them. Ken

Looking at the photo in Phillips, and others online, I think you are spot on with this.

Originally Posted by Ken Burgess

If it is, this is one you should be able to confirm in the field with a hand lens. If you get the cap at the right angle to the light you should be able to see lots of setae (i.e. stiff hair-like projections) sticking out from the cap surface. Ken

Thanks - I will make a point of looking under lens, if they are still there next time I visit the site.

Regards,
Mike.

[flaxton]

If you have a mobile microscope you should see




Mal

[Lancashire Lad]

Originally Posted by flaxton

If you have a mobile microscope you should see




Mal

Hi Mal,

Unfortunately, best I can do is a 10x and 20x hand lens. Hope these will be sufficient.

Regards
Mike.

[flaxton]

That should be fine.
Mal