Panaeolus sp for ID please

[Nettle Runner]

NT Longshaw 18 October 2009
Found in sheep grazed meadow during a waxcap foray with FungiJohn.





I read a description for P. ater which seemed close. Your advice please.

Les

ps John's too occupied with his new mscope this week.

[Chris Yeates]

Originally Posted by Nettle Runner

NT Longshaw 18 October 2009
Found in sheep grazed meadow during a waxcap foray with FungiJohn.





I read a description for P. ater which seemed close. Your advice please.

Les

ps John's too occupied with his new mscope this week.

then John should be practising using this as a test! because Panaeolus is (yet) another of those genera where spore and other micro-characters are so important

hi Les

for what it's worth I don't think it's ater - now synonymised with P. fimicola, I think - based on cap shape - that it could well be what I would have called P. rickenii for many years, but which has now been synonymised with P. acuminatus

however the proviso above still obtains . . . .

cheers

Chris

PS - out of interest I have just done a quick Google image search for "rickenii" - boy are there some dodgy ID's out there - a timely reminder that trawling the web looking at pictures can be a very unhelpful activity . . . (not that I'm suggesting that's what you have done!)

[SheffieldLass]

I'd agree with Chris, probably P acuminatus. They are ones I'm beginning to recognise in the field, but still take home to check to be sure. They have nice fat spores, flattened when seen from the side. And you'll see them contaminating many of my recent micro photos .

Melanie

[ManwithNoname]

Originally Posted by Chris Yeates

I think - based on cap shape - that it could well be what I would have called P. rickenii for many years, but which has now been synonymised with P. acuminatus

Yes these are the ones I confidently call Panaeolus rickenii, now P. acuminatus, when I can't be bothered to do the microscopy. Luckily no-one has called my bluff yet.

[Nettle Runner]

Many thanks for your replies Chris, Melanie and mwnn.

Hopefully John will have a sample, as he always goes home with a full box.

I'm watching with interest the results of him testing out his scope with various specimens, and learning quite a bit in the process.

Les

[FungiJohn]

Originally Posted by Nettle Runner

Many thanks for your replies Chris, Melanie and mwnn.

Hopefully John will have a sample, as he always goes home with a full box.

I'm watching with interest the results of him testing out his scope with various specimens, and learning quite a bit in the process.

Les

I still ended up doing a mush so I have a new Bresser for sale It is very good for myxo's though



These were Panaeolus rickenii

Oh, and my bulbs just gone on my Konus ... I just don't believe it sometimes

John

[Nettle Runner]

.....and the week started with so much promise, too.
Back to the drawing board.
Les