Interesting Stalked Cup & 2 More - (ID Help Please)

Lancashire Lad · #1 (**permalink**) 13-10-2009, 04:40 PM

Found today on a pleasant wander around Sunnyhurst Woods with PMG, and her friend Joan: -

No.1 Possibly along the lines of a Ciboria sp.

Growing on a dead bramble stem.
Cup diameter about 8mm, stipe height about 12mm.
No gills, No obvious pores, underside surface was finely "felty" in appearance.

No.2 Growing in soil amongst mainly Fagus leaf litter.
Cap diameter about 40mm, Stipe height about 60mm.

No.3 growing directly from moss on a fallen trunk (but attached to the moss itself, and not the wood).
Very small caps - largest about 4mm in diameter. All seemed to have decidedly contorted stipes -up to about 35mm in length.
Gills wide spaced & free - (not decurrent), no collar.
The stipes of one or two seemed to be have the merest hint of scurfyness, (but nowhere near as obviously as Mycena adscendens would be for example).

Any assistance with ID's much appreciated.

Regards,
Mike.

PMG · #2 (**permalink**) 13-10-2009, 05:04 PM

I'm wondering now if 2 is Poison Pie - Hebaloma crustiliniforme? Don't know why I didn't think it at the time??

Lancashire Lad · #3 (**permalink**) 13-10-2009, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by PMG

I'm wondering now if 2 is Poison Pie - Hebaloma crustiliniforme? Don't know why I didn't think it at the time??

Looks a good possibility Pauline. - Certainly has the characteristics, the gills on this have brown spots, which is an identifier on Poisonpie of the dried weeping liquid droplets that form on the gills.

Regards,
Mike.

Chris Yeates · #4 (**permalink**) 13-10-2009, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Lancashire Lad

Found today on a pleasant wander around Sunnyhurst Woods with PMG, and her friend Joan: -

No.1 Possibly along the lines of a Ciboria sp.

Growing on a dead bramble stem.

No.2 Growing in soil amongst mainly Fagus leaf litter.
Cap diameter about 40mm, Stipe height about 60mm.

I think number 1 is Lanzia luteovirescens and that it is not on dead bramble, but on an old sycamore petiole, its usual habitat

I agree with Pauline that 2 is a Hebeloma in the crustuliniforme group, but that is now recognised as a group, following the work of Jan Vesterholt and others, and to be absolutely sure of an I/D to species you do need to check micro-characters

best

Chris

Lancashire Lad · #5 (**permalink**) 13-10-2009, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Yeates

....I think number 1 is Lanzia luteovirescens and that it is not on dead bramble, but on an old sycamore petiole, its usual habitat....

Oh well, at least my bramble identifying skills are on a par with my fungi identifying skills then

Anyway, I'll live with my rudimentary error. - I've just browsed for images of L.luteovirescens, and think you're spot on Chris.

Regards,
Mike.

PMG · #6 (**permalink**) 13-10-2009, 06:31 PM

Err .... well .... I might be going to throw a spanner

I'd looked thro B & K when I got home and thought about Rustroemia luteovirescens which going off the second name is prob one and the same and thought it looked right ........ except I remember when looking thro hand lens that the under side was scaley in the same way that some honey fungus have little raised scales ........ so not smooth ....... so? Unless I'm not on the same species as Chris - Lanzia - which isn't in B & K???

Confused?

Its still a cracking pic for how small it was ....... stacking???!!!!

And PS thanks again Mike for a cracking walk, species found and names and explanations given and exchanged - and all in the wood where I grew up - full of echoes and memories .........

Lancashire Lad · #7 (**permalink**) 13-10-2009, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by PMG

Err .... well .... I might be going to throw a spanner

....

Hi Pauline,

I think L.luteovirescens is a pretty safe ID.

Like yourself, I was concerned about the undersurface not being smooth, but I found the following text online "Apothecial outer excipulum composed of thin-walled, prismatic cells (textura prismatica)", and also if you browse the images of L.luteovirescens on the BioImages site, there are a couple that are almost identical.

Regards,
Mike.

Chris Yeates · #8 (**permalink**) 13-10-2009, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by PMG

Err .... well I might be going to throw a spanner .... ........ except I remember when looking thro hand lens that the under side was scaley in the same way that some honey fungus have little raised scales ........ so not smooth ....... so? Unless I'm not on the same species as Chris - Lanzia - which isn't in B & K???

Confused?

hi Pauline

the two names do indeed cover the same fungus; have a look at one of Malcom Storey's images of it:

Lanzia luteovirescens (Roberge ex Desm.) Dumont & Korf, 1978 (a discomycete)

that is very honey fungus-ish . . . it's all within the range of variation of this species, so perhaps you can have your spanner back?

best

Chris

PS just read the comments above, posted as I was typing! - snap!

PMG · #9 (**permalink**) 13-10-2009, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Lancashire Lad

Hi Pauline,

I think L.luteovirescens is a pretty safe ID.

Like yourself, I was concerned about the undersurface not being smooth, but I found the following text online "Apothecial outer excipulum composed of thin-walled, prismatic cells (textura prismatica)", and also if you browse the images of L.luteovirescens on the BioImages site, there are a couple that are almost identical.

Regards,
Mike.

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Originally Posted by Chris Yeates

hi Pauline

the two names do indeed cover the same fungus; have a look at one of Malcom Storey's images of it:

Lanzia luteovirescens (Roberge ex Desm.) Dumont & Korf, 1978 (a discomycete)

that is very honey fungus-ish . . . it's all within the range of variation of this species, so perhaps you can have your spanner back?

best

Chris

PS just read the comments above, posted as I was typing! - snap!

Right that'll do me - I'll have my spanner back then

Heh! heh!

ManwithNoname · #10 (**permalink**) 14-10-2009, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Lancashire Lad

No.3 growing directly from moss on a fallen trunk (but attached to the moss itself, and not the wood).
Very small caps - largest about 4mm in diameter. All seemed to have decidedly contorted stipes -up to about 35mm in length.
Gills wide spaced & free - (not decurrent), no collar.
The stipes of one or two seemed to be have the merest hint of scurfyness, (but nowhere near as obviously as Mycena adscendens would be for example).

Hi Mike

Are you sure the gills were free or did they just look like they were free e.g. could they have pulled away from the stem or been notched near the stem?

I can't think of anything like this that would have free gills.

However, they do look to me like one of the small Collybia species. I'd put my money on Collybia cookei and if you had dug around a bit in the moss you would probably have found the little orange-yellow sclerotia characteristic of this species. (There are two other species but this is the most common.)

The fungi grow from the decaying 'fruitbodies' of other species of fungi, such as Russulaceae, but by the time you find them the 'fruitbodies' have usually more or less disappeared or are just a black gooey mess. You often find them in moss. I found some a few weeks back growing on decaying Meripilus giganteus but also out of the surrounding moss.

One helpful clue in the field is to give them a gentle flick with your finger. Other similar looking small species tend to be fragile and the stem will break, whereas these small species of Collybia have firm stems for their size and will tend to spring back into position. But they do have a distinctive jizz which makes them recognisable in the field, and then you just start digging to see if there is a sclerotium and, if so, what colour it is. I have to say they always turn out to be Collybia cookei for me and I suspect that a lot of finds of Collybia cirrhata are actually Collybia cookei but the finder didn't hunt hard enough for the sclerotia, which can be quite small and easily overlooked.