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27-09-2009, 09:18 PM
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| | | Another Scutellinia
Found growing on bare earth amongst various rough grassland species. Largest c8mm in diameter. Pretty sure this one isn't scutellata as it's got much shorter "eyelashes" than the others I've seen and more importantly seems to have more heavily ornamented spores: 
I've only got Ellis and Ellis to go on and that's suggesting something like S.umbrorum or S.ampullacea but sadly the bulb on the microscope blew before I could get a decent view and measurements of the paraphyses and hairs.
I've got a specimen drying if it's of interest to anyone - not thinking of anybody in particular here of course 
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27-09-2009, 09:44 PM
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| | | Re: Another Scutellinia
Very interesting Rob.
Macroscopically, that looks very much like the one I found a week ago, and which I'm about to send the remains of the fruitbody across to Chris for microscopy. Although mine, pic. below, was amongst moss on a rotting log, it too had very short "eyelashes", and was originally over 1cm in diameter. (Unfortunately, only the bit inside the red lines was left when I returned to collect it). 
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27-09-2009, 11:54 PM
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| | | Re: Another Scutellinia
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Originally Posted by RobSutton 
Found growing on bare earth amongst various rough grassland species. Largest c8mm in diameter. Pretty sure this one isn't scutellata as it's got much shorter "eyelashes" than the others I've seen and more importantly seems to have more heavily ornamented spores:
I've only got Ellis and Ellis to go on and that's suggesting something like S.umbrorum or S.ampullacea but sadly the bulb on the microscope blew before I could get a decent view and measurements of the paraphyses and hairs.
I've got a specimen drying if it's of interest to anyone - not thinking of anybody in particular here of course | sssssh . . . . don't let anyone else on this site on to this Rob - but I'd be more than happy to have a look
phew - I think we got away with that!
C
PS - don't think it's ampullacea - now synonymised with Scutellinia olivascens . . . umbrorum is possible . . . but if I get to see the thing . . .
co-incidentally today the light blew on the lighting system on my dissecting 'scope - http://www.brunelmicroscopes.co.uk/coldlight.html (other systems are available - but this one is pretty good  ) - very tiresome indeed . . . (though first time in 5 years)
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12-10-2009, 08:47 PM
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| | | Re: Another Scutellinia
hi Rob
been giving this little fellow a preliminary look tonight
it's interesting to see how much better the fresh material took up the Cotton Blue . . . . am having fun using the measuring software with my new camera 
don't quote me on this just yet but I think there is a definite possibility that this is Scutellinia patagonica; those very broadly ellipsoid spores are unusual in Scutellinia I think . . . . ornamentation looks OK too . . .
it doesn't seem to have been recorded in England before - British Fungi - record details - so I want to be absolutely sure - I need to rule out umbrorum, but somehow I don't think it's that
more anon
cheers
Chris
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12-10-2009, 10:20 PM
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| | | Re: Another Scutellinia
Hi
I found a scutellinia without Eyelash's on Sunday. I tried to make it some exotic species but just kept comming back to S.scutellata  
Peter
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13-10-2009, 05:26 AM
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| | | Re: Another Scutellinia
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Originally Posted by Chris Yeates hi Rob
been giving this little fellow a preliminary look tonight
it's interesting to see how much better the fresh material took up the Cotton Blue . . . . am having fun using the measuring software with my new camera
don't quote me on this just yet but I think there is a definite possibility that this is Scutellinia patagonica; those very broadly ellipsoid spores are unusual in Scutellinia I think . . . . ornamentation looks OK too . . .
it doesn't seem to have been recorded in England before - British Fungi - record details - so I want to be absolutely sure - I need to rule out umbrorum, but somehow I don't think it's that
more anon
cheers
Chris | Hi Chris
That sounds interestingly exotic - I've always wanted to go to Patagonia and now, perhaps, a little bit of it has come to the Yorkshire Dales!
I look forward to your final deliberations - thanks, once again, for your help with this one.
Rob
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13-10-2009, 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by RobSutton Hi Chris
That sounds interestingly exotic - I've always wanted to go to Patagonia and now, perhaps, a little bit of it has come to the Yorkshire Dales!
I look forward to your final deliberations - thanks, once again, for your help with this one.
Rob | ah yes! these evocative location-based names - I once found Ascobolus hawaiiensis - on sheep dung not far from Barnsley! 
cheers
Chris
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13-10-2009, 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris Yeates ah yes! these evocative location-based names - I once found Ascobolus hawaiiensis - on sheep dung not far from Barnsley!
cheers
Chris | Brilliant
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13-10-2009, 07:54 PM
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| | | Re: Another Scutellinia
OK
I've given it a good examination tonight and think that it is Scutellinia patagonica
the key thing is the shape of the spores - putting them alongside the scanning electron microscope images in Schumacher's 1990 Monograph of the genus in Opera Botanica they are a much better match for that than they are for S. umbrorum which tends to have somewhat more elongated (ellipsoid rather than ovoid) spores - it's quite a subtle distinction though . . .
so - a new record for Yorkshire (definitely) and for England (probably)! Nice one Rob . . .
I shall of course keep the material, and in due course it will be deposited at Kew - I've got quite a stack of goodies to send down to them (something for the winter months methinks)
I am happy to look at any Scutellinia specimens which WABbers find - the more experience I get of them (even if they all turn out to be scutellata ) the better
cheers
Chris
cheers
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13-10-2009, 08:58 PM
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| | | Re: Another Scutellinia
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Originally Posted by Chris Yeates OK
I've given it a good examination tonight and think that it is Scutellinia patagonica
the key thing is the shape of the spores - putting them alongside the scanning electron microscope images in Schumacher's 1990 Monograph of the genus in Opera Botanica they are a much better match for that than they are for S. umbrorum which tends to have somewhat more elongated (ellipsoid rather than ovoid) spores - it's quite a subtle distinction though . . .
so - a new record for Yorkshire (definitely) and for England (probably)! Nice one Rob . . .
I shall of course keep the material, and in due course it will be deposited at Kew - I've got quite a stack of goodies to send down to them (something for the winter months methinks)
I am happy to look at any Scutellinia specimens which WABbers find - the more experience I get of them (even if they all turn out to be scutellata ) the better
cheers
Chris
cheers | Thanks Chris - that's brilliant, it makes all those hours crawling around on my hands and knees or walking along staring at the ground worthwhile. I'll have to see what else I can find for you in this little corner of Yorkshire.
All the best
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