3 Unknowns from Today (ID Help Please)

Lancashire Lad · #1 (**permalink**) 27-09-2009, 07:26 PM

Not getting anywhere trying to identify these; -

No.1 Growing in soil in mixed woodland.
Cap diameters about 60mm, stipe heights similar.

No.2 Growing tucked under exposed tree roots.
Largest caps about 35mm wide, stipes similar.
Final photo shows a separate group of same type (growing adjacent) but less well developed.

No.3 Growing amongst very stony soil artificially banked beside a woodland path.
Largest cup about 20mm across.

Any help towards ID's much appreciated.

Regards
Mike.

Chris Yeates · #2 (**permalink**) 27-09-2009, 07:41 PM

hi Mike

top one looks like a bit like a Tricholoma - might get back on that one

middle one looks very like that Sericeocybe (as I should have spelt it

) Cortinarius again - I know what Pauline means about C. anomalus - it's not a million miles away, but there are other rather similar species

and please!!!!!!! tell me thgat you have collected two or three of that fantastic discomycete - I'd love to get that under the 'scope . . . .

cheers

Chris

fairplay · #3 (**permalink**) 27-09-2009, 07:48 PM

Your Russula may be nigricans, but gills look too crowded and too thin.

The Cup fungus is very similar to Leucosypha leucotricha which likes rich damp soil/ marshy places, but is that taken on a bonfire site ?

Neil.

Serious edit ! Just seen Chris's response. The stem, the stem - if only I had paid more attention to the stem, silly me.

Lancashire Lad · #4 (**permalink**) 27-09-2009, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Yeates

....and please!!!!!!! tell me thgat you have collected two or three of that fantastic discomycete - I'd love to get that under the 'scope....

Err, no I didn't.

However, I was with the person who first spotted them about three weeks ago, so it looks like they're in no hurry to disappear.

I will no doubt get back to the site sometime this next week, and will collect some to dry. (There are many of them about, including some just emerging).

Looking in my books, they seem to have certain characteristics similar to both Peziza cerea and Tazetta scotica. (Probably nothing remotely like either in reality

).

Regards,
Mike.

Lancashire Lad · #5 (**permalink**) 27-09-2009, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by fairplay

Your Russula may be nigricans, but gills look too crowded and too thin.

The Cup fungus is very similar to Leucosypha leucotricha which likes rich damp soil/ marshy places, but is that taken on a bonfire site ?

Neil.

Hi Neil,

The location was along the length of what is literally a pile of soil & small stones that has been thrown to one side of a gravelled woodland path. Basically creating what might best be described as a long mound of earth. The soil was quite dry - presumably being that the mound would naturally dry quicker, as water drains away to normal ground levels adjacent. (Definitely no burn't ground in the vicinity).

Regards,
Mike.

Chris Yeates · #6 (**permalink**) 27-09-2009, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by fairplay

The Cup fungus is very similar to Leucosypha leucotricha which likes rich damp soil/ marshy places, but is that taken on a bonfire site ?

it does indeed . . . one glimpse at the spores would seal it, but I think you're correct Neil . . .

Chris

Lancashire Lad · #7 (**permalink**) 27-09-2009, 08:05 PM

Neil / Chris,

Googling for Leucosypha leucotricha brings up only two hits, and no hits at all for images. None of my books include this either.

Are you aware of anywhere on the net that might show images etc.?

Regards,
Mike.

fairplay · #8 (**permalink**) 27-09-2009, 08:06 PM

Fingers crossed

Neil.

Chris Yeates · #9 (**permalink**) 27-09-2009, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Lancashire Lad

Neil / Chris,

Googling for Leucosypha leucotricha brings up only two hits, and no hits at all for images.

images of Leucoscypha leucotricha

it's Leucoscypha - in Greek meaning 'white goblet'

C

ManwithNoname · #10 (**permalink**) 27-09-2009, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Lancashire Lad

...they seem to have certain characteristics similar to both Peziza cerea and Tazetta scotica. (Probably nothing remotely like either in reality

I'm pretty sure they are Tarzetta, as you suggest, Mike. They can look a little woolly around the margin of the cup when young, which can give them an unusual appearance. I'd plump for Tarzetta cupularis (which may now be your T. scotica? and I still spell it with the r in Tarzetta out of habit) but I'm never too sure about these in the field. I also find it quite hard to separate them microscopically because the spore sizes quoted by different authors seem to vary considerably and overlap.