ID help with a Bolete and a 'no-idea' please.

[Gerel]

Hi

these two were both found today in broadleaf woods, (oak and ash mainly with hazel, rowan etc.)

First is a small Bolete that was growing in leaf-litter. The cap was covered in a velvety bloom that rubbed off easily. Flesh white to cream, unchanging when cut. Pores creamy-yellow very small, individual pores hard to see with the naked eye.



Secondly this one which was one of a small number growing on a decaying hazel (probably) stick and about which I haven't the faintest idea.



For scale the squares on the paper are 5mm.

Thanks for looking


Steve

[FungiJohn]

Hi Steve

Your first fungus is a young Boletus badius. It can have this very dark, almost velvety pileus when this young.

The second is a Conocybe ... but I'll not go any further! Others may dare

John

[flaxton]

Sorry John
I don't think it is X badius. It would have shown some bluing on cutting I think it is more likely to be B. pruinatus or B. subtomentosus but even these do usually show some slight signs of bluing.

Mal

[FungiJohn]

Originally Posted by flaxton

Sorry John
I don't think it is X badius. It would have shown some bluing on cutting I think it is more likely to be B. pruinatus or B. subtomentosus but even these do usually show some slight signs of bluing.

Mal

I agree with the blueing stipe reaction Mal but it can be absent or very slight in immature species.

John

[Chris Yeates]

I must admit that I had the same thought as Mal - but I do not claim to be particularly knowledgeable about the boletes - especially compared to others on this site

not sure about Conocybe either, that should have a smooth or at most pruinose cap - not fibrillose like this fellow; I can see how that 'ring' might initially suggest Conocybe section Pholiotina but they are much slenderer and as I say it doesn't look right for the genus

I know that it is a mycorrhizal genus but I would tentatively suggest Inocybe here - as Andreas has pointed out they don't always fruit where you might expect them to - I have seen Hebeloma fragilipes, under Tilia, but fruiting on a moss-covered gritstone wall a foot or so above the ground!

plus I think that ring might be a quirk of growth rather than a definitive character - it's the old story 'one fruit-body is not a fungus!'

Chris

[FungiJohn]

Here's a more typical young Boletus badius ... with blueing stipe reaction .. just



John

[NickCantle]

Originally Posted by FungiJohn

Here's a more typical young Boletus badius ... with blueing stipe reaction .. just



John

Never seen one like that John

[flaxton]

John
If you had posted that photo asking for id I would not have come up with badius It looks far more like Boletus pruinatus.

Mal

[NickCantle]

Originally Posted by flaxton

John
If you had posted that photo asking for id I would not have come up with badius It looks far more like Boletus pruinatus.

Mal

Glad it's not just me that thought that

Pileus aside, the stipe is very yellow rather than the typical 'wooden' colour expected in B. badius.

[Gerel]

Interesting debate here, I must admit that I had considered B. pruinatus as a possible (going solely on Phillips and internet pics)

I've still got both specimens as well as the piece of wood from no. 2 which has another young fruitbody developing on it.

Another shot of the second with a better angle on the ring.



I'll take another look at the bolete tomorrow, cut it in half and see if it blues. This shot seems to show some signs of blueing on the pores at bottom right, although, oddly, not on the damaged area bottom left, it also shows how small the pores are.




Steve