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16-08-2009, 10:30 PM
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16-08-2009, 10:35 PM
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Hello,
the first one is Cortinarius malachius, in the sense of BRANDRUD et al. . The one that grows with spruce and has the bigger spores. ORTON named that one malachioides, as far as I know. The one with the samller spores, more speckled cap and growing with pine is C. quarciticus (= malachius ss. MOSER).
The 2nd is a Amanitopsis.
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16-08-2009, 10:35 PM
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The first is a Cortinarius, could be confused with Lepista nuda but closer examination reveals a rusty colouring on the edge of the cap signifying that the gills are rusty- as shown by Cortinarius and not by Lepista nuda.
The second is an Amanita, and with striations of the pileus like that, I'd go for A. vaginata. Not quite orange enough for A. fulva. |
16-08-2009, 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted by mollisia  The 2nd is a Amanitopsis | Is that a subgenus Andreas? I was unaware of subgenera to Amanita  |
16-08-2009, 10:37 PM
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Thanks for the quick and interesting replies Andreas and Nick 
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16-08-2009, 10:39 PM
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Hello Nick,
yes, and it used to be a genus of its own.
There are several subgenera in Amanita, e.g. subg. Lepidella. I don't remember them by heart now and am too lazy to stand up and go to the book shelf ...
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16-08-2009, 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by mollisia I don't remember them by heart now and am too lazy to stand up and go to the book shelf .. | I admire your honesty 
Do you know by heart if they grow in the Uk? I've never found any... |
16-08-2009, 10:56 PM
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Hello Nick,
so you made me stand up ... at that time!
Subgenus Amanita:
Sektion Amanita: A. muscaria
Subgenus Amanitopsis: A. vaginata
(sometimes this subgenus is encludes in sungenus Amanita)
Subgenus Lepidella:
Sekktion Phalloideae: A. phalloides
Sektion Validae: A. rubescens, A. citrina
Sektion Lepidella: A. strobiliformis
I think all of those are occuring in UK too.
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16-08-2009, 10:59 PM
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Very interesting, thank you for standing up Andreas
Yes, they're all found quite commonly in the Uk. So was I correct in suggesting A. vaginata?
Why is it that the taxa here refers to all members of the genus as Amanita? No literature that I've read refers to any of those subgenera! You learn something new every day! Still a little confused how valid these subgenera are in our taxonomy to this day. Do you know why they're not usually used in books? |
16-08-2009, 11:05 PM
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Hello Nick,
the rank of a subgenus doesn't give the species a new generic name. All those are Amanita, no matter in which subgenus they are.
I think I confused you because I use the term Amanitopsis. That's just because I don't know the english expression for those Amanita which dont have a ring, have a distinctly striate margine and a volva. A. vaginata in its largest sense ....
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