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11-08-2009, 08:44 PM
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| | | can you help identify please? Found this growing in my friends garden - is it a blusher???  | 
11-08-2009, 08:54 PM
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| | | Re: can you help identify please? Looks like one of the Parosol mushrooms, Chlorophyllum rhacodes - shaggy parasol,
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11-08-2009, 09:03 PM
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| | | Re: can you help identify please? Something looks different though- in Chlorophyllum rhacodes, I would expect at least an iota of red-flesh from some sort of bruising. Even immaculate specimens usually exhibit a small 'blush'. It's definitely something surrounding the area that Brian has suggested, but for some reason this one is making me suspicious
We can safely say it's not a Blusher
Can I ask what size this was please? | 
11-08-2009, 09:37 PM
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| | | Re: can you help identify please? Hello,
I think it is Macrolepiota rhacodes var. hortensis. Don't know what's the name in Chlorophyllum, may be Chlorophyllum brunneum.
best regards,
Andreas
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11-08-2009, 10:06 PM
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| | | Re: can you help identify please? Quote:
Originally Posted by mollisia Hello,
I think it is Macrolepiota rhacodes var. hortensis. Don't know what's the name in Chlorophyllum, may be Chlorophyllum brunneum.
best regards,
Andreas | is Macrolepiota rhacodes var.hortensis a synonym for Macrolepiota var. bohemica, now renamed as Chlorophyllum brunnea ?
or are they two seperate species?
Brian. | 
11-08-2009, 11:38 PM
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| | | Re: can you help identify please? Quote:
Originally Posted by kiltoncomp is Macrolepiota rhacodes var.hortensis a synonym for Macrolepiota var. bohemica, now renamed as Chlorophyllum brunnea ?
or are they two seperate species?
Brian. | Macrolepiota rhacodes var. bohemica (Wichanský) Bellù & Lanzoni is (currently  ) reckoned to be a synonym of Chlorophyllum brunneum (Farl. & Burt) Vellinga
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12-08-2009, 12:14 AM
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| | | Re: can you help identify please? Aha, good old var. bohemia | 
12-08-2009, 05:10 AM
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| | | Re: can you help identify please? Quote:
Originally Posted by kiltoncomp is Macrolepiota rhacodes var.hortensis a synonym for Macrolepiota var. bohemica, now renamed as Chlorophyllum brunnea ?
or are they two seperate species?
Brian. | Hello Brian,
yes, they are synonymous.
best regards,
Andreas
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12-08-2009, 08:07 AM
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| | | Re: can you help identify please? thanks Andreas and Chris,
I had a troop of around 12 growing in the garden a couple of weeks ago, and while trying to determine which species it was, came across these name changes, which , as usual, some websites had a different view on the naming of them, some having C, brunneum, and C.hortensis as separate species, while others had them as synonymous, while most still had them as Macrolepiota sp. which is confusing, to say the least,
what is considered the most accurate source for all the name changes at present ?
Brian. | 
12-08-2009, 08:14 AM
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| | | Re: can you help identify please? Quote:
Originally Posted by kiltoncomp some websites had a different view on the naming of them, some having C, brunneum, and C.hortensis as separate species, while others had them as synonymous, while most still had them as Macrolepiota sp. which is confusing, to say the least,
what is considered the most accurate source for all the name changes at present ?
Brian. | Kids.
See Monkey Orchid from a hoverfly post, below. This idea looks a go-er to me...........he he, sorry, couldnt resist.
''Yep. That's why when I'm finding out about stuff or labelling photos I always use the scientific name. Although of course, in these days of genetic identification and splitter-enthusiasm, scientific names do sometimes change, too...
I quite like the inventiveness of the common names. When working with groups of school kids on minibeast safaris etc, I would usually tell them the scientific name of each critter (we had a lot of fun with how bizarre some of these names are), but then I would encourage them to come up with their own invented common name as well, based on appearance and behaviour. Thus we would end up with their own versions of common names, such as 'springy sap muncher' and 'green-backed grass devourer'. ''
Cheers
Ken
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